CHANGE TO JETBLUE J/S POLICY - Sorry folks

OAL Cabin jumpseats are common place in the idustry. SWA, NWA, DL, AA, etc all over cabin jumpseats to an unlimited number of riders. The FA Jumpseat is what most don't allow OAL's to occupy. This isn't because they don't want to it is just that legal is trying to cut down liability by having an untrained pilot sitting next to an armed door.
 
Just to be clear, when most people refer to the "cabin jumpseat," they are referring to the FA jumpseat, not the flowback which is an extension of the cockpit jumpseat.
 
Bandit_Driver said:
This isn't because they don't want to it is just that legal is trying to cut down liability by having an untrained pilot sitting next to an armed door.
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What will always mystify me is, given a choice, wouldn't an airline want an off-duty pilot or flight attendant sitting by the door just in case they abort and run off the end of the runway and the F/A in charge of that door somehow gets incapacitated . . . or would they really rather have Joe Schmoe from seat 44C, who was in the middle of a nap during the safety demo, go back there with a mosh pit of pax forming at his back, and try and figure out how to pop the door open with nothing but the emergency lights shining on it?

It's a no-brainer to me as to who is truly the greater liability when the chips are down.
 
Nick said:
What will always mystify me is, given a choice, wouldn't an airline want an off-duty pilot or flight attendant sitting by the door just in case they abort and run off the end of the runway and the F/A in charge of that door somehow gets incapacitated . . . or would they really rather have Joe Schmoe from seat 44C, who was in the middle of a nap during the safety demo, go back there with a mosh pit of pax forming at his back, and try and figure out how to pop the door open with nothing but the emergency lights shining on it?

It's a no-brainer to me as to who is truly the greater liability when the chips are down.
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I agree with you but the majority of airline managers don't .... I have inquired at a couple of other airlines about it and they all say the same thing the pilot isn't trained on that door or airline's xyz procedures... I think what they are trying to avoid is a pilot trying to help out after a flight and popping the L1 door without disarming the slide and creates and accidental deployment and injures or kills some one...

my .02 worth





Come ride on a freighter and you can sit next to the door on the old FA seats...There's no slide to worry about either...Just a nice long rope...
 
I was told it's not a legal liability issue, it's an FAA issue. That's why we can put people in our jumpseat in the EMB-145, because there's no door there, and with JetBlue you've got a a flight attendant sitting next to you to work the door.
 
I wonder why the FAA has problems with it on some airlines and not others. Then on say Delta a Delta pilot can sit in the FA seat then? No continuity what so ever
 
jtrain609 said:
The delta pilot would have had training on the door.
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Correct. During CQ, we are required to go to the cabin mockups and operate the all the door/overwing exit trainers. We also have to use the cabin emergency equipment and squirt the fire extinguishers.
 
Cptnchia said:
Correct. During CQ, we are required to go to the cabin mockups and operate the all the door/overwing exit trainers. We also have to use the cabin emergency equipment and squirt the fire extinguishers.
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That is only on our current equipment, not all aircraft. We are allowed to ride in the FA seat on all aircraft.
 
Buzo said:
That is only on our current equipment, not all aircraft. We are allowed to ride in the FA seat on all aircraft.
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The assumption is that if you are smart enough to operate the door on the aircraft you are on, you can figure out how to operate the door on any other aircraft. Since DAL doesn't know, or particularly care what type of training OALs do, they won't let them sit on the actual seat.
 
well, i hope Jet Blue still allows the 135 trash with no reciprocals ride in an open seat... I always had good luck jumpseating with them (in CASS, no reciprocity)
 
Cptnchia said:
The assumption is that if you are smart enough to operate the door on the aircraft you are on, you can figure out how to operate the door on any other aircraft. Since DAL doesn't know, or particularly care what type of training OALs do, they won't let them sit on the actual seat.
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Which includes Delta Connection. So, we're safe enough to fly their passengers, but we don't know how to open the door. Go figure. Sucks about the cabin jumpseats since I'm staring down the barrel of an MCO-JFK commute. Here's hoping that interview phone call comes sooner rather than later...
 
Cptnchia said:
Well, RJ doors do operate differently than Boeing or Airbus doors.....
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True, but my point was Delta really should be concerned with the training the Delta Connection partners are doing rather than "What's the price? Sold." If they're as non-complex as the MD-11 doors, it ain't THAT hard.
 
Baronman said:
Good point...don't think we should risk having mainline crews in the back of our aircraft!!
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If that's rhe case, then you sure as hell don't need any passengers back there either. Maybe you guys should refuse to carry anyone not properly trained.
 
Still sounds a bit like lawyer speak to me. But in the end maybe DL is right. They can't run the risk of somebody they don't know operating a door in an emergency. Smart move.
 
Why are dispatchers allowed to ride up front but not FA's? I would think that a FA would have more sense of what's going on than a dispatcher. Unless I'm missing something. We've left many FA's behind. Just my opinion.
 
Cptnchia said:
If that's rhe case, then you sure as hell don't need any passengers back there either. Maybe you guys should refuse to carry anyone not properly trained.
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Well, if a briefing card works for pax, I don't see why it wouldn't work for crews. You have to admit that the "RJ doors" comment could have seemed extremely condescending. What about the E190, since we're actually talking about B6 airplanes anyway. Would that operate like a Boeing/Airbus door or an RJ door?
 
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