PNCL pilots are our brothers! Unity?

sherpa

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A Message from the Colgan Air Merger Committee



As we wait for a decision from arbitrator Richard Bloch, your Colgan Air Merger Committee would like to take the opportunity to update the entire pilot group on where we stand as a group on the final days before a decision is rendered.



On April 15th your Merger Committee presented to Mr. Bloch our final rebuttals to arbitration arguments that were heard during the last week of March. This was our opportunity to present any disputes or rebuttals regarding the final positions and statements of the Pinnacle and Mesaba merger committees. As we stated in our last update, Mr. Bloch has 30 days from April 15th to deliver a final arbitrated decision regarding the process to integrate the seniority lists of our three airlines. We expect to have Mr. Bloch’s final decision on or around the 15th of this month.



During final arguments we petitioned Mr. Bloch for permission to share the final positions of all three merger committees to our respective pilot groups; he permitted our request to do so. Your Merger Committee felt it was very important that every Colgan Air pilot was aware of the final positions that Mr. Bloch was presented. The Colgan Air pilot group deserves to know the details of each position prior to receiving Mr. Bloch’s decision; by understanding the final positions it will help in understanding the reasoning behind the final arbitrated decision.



The Mesaba Airlines merger committee presented to Mr. Bloch an integration method of “Date of Hire.” Under the Mesaba final proposal, the new seniority list will be created in seniority order from the most senior pilot of the three groups becoming the new #1 to the most junior of the three groups who would be placed at the bottom. “Date of Hire” integration is a very straight forward integration methodology. However, in the opinion of your Merger Committee, it is better suited when integrating similar pilot groups. Colgan Air is a younger pilot group and we saw very few similarities between Colgan and Mesaba or Pinnacle that would suggest that a “Date of Hire” methodology would best suit the pilots of all three airlines.



The Pinnacle Airlines merger committee presented to Mr. Bloch an integration method of “Status and Category ratio integration.” Under the Pinnacle final proposal, the new seniority list will be created by placing each pilot into 1 of 6 possible groups; group 1 being at the top of the list and group 6 at the bottom of the list. The Pinnacle Merger Committee included all of their pilots within the first 2 groups along with a select number of Mesaba pilots; the first Colgan pilot does not show up until group 3. By delaying the placement of a Colgan pilot until group 3 it would create a list that unjustly underestimates the equities brought by the Colgan Air pilots to this merger. This methodology would place the now #1 Colgan pilot at #1904 on the new list. Your Merger Committee would never approve of a methodology that places our most senior pilot junior to Pinnacle’s most junior pilot.



The Colgan Air merger committee presented to Mr. Bloch an integration method of “Ratio integration.” Under the Colgan Air final proposal, the new seniority list will be created by constructing 33 individual blocks. Each block will be comprised by listing pilots from each airline in a ratio consistent with the number of pilots to be integrated from each pilot group. This method would guarantee that every one of the active pilots to be integrated will remain within 3% of their current, pre-merger, relative seniority position. We felt this methodology would help minimize any disruption in the quality of life of all 2807 pilots to be integrated. Every pilot would maintain the same bidding power after the merger since every pilot will have the same percentage of pilots senior and junior to them. Our intention was to present a realistic integration methodology that would ultimately be accepted by all of the pilots that will soon make up the “new” Pinnacle Airlines. We did not want to propose an outlandish methodology in the hope of having the arbitrator grant a portion of our final position. One of our goals was to have Pinnacle and Mesaba view the Colgan pilot group as an honest and straightforward group.



Mr. Bloch left it up to the Merger Committees to continue unmediated negotiations this last month, up until his arbitrated decision, if we saw purpose in doing so. If Mesaba and Pinnacle were to contact us for continued unmediated negotiations, it would only be considered if both Mesaba and Pinnacle had changed drastically from their final positions. As you can see, the three parties presented three uniquely different final positions and your Merger Committee currently believes it would not be an appropriate utilization of time or dues money to continue these talks if their positions remains the same. We continue to feel that we presented to Mr. Bloch a very strong argument on behalf of the Colgan pilots and believe that Mr. Bloch will deliver a final decision that will be fair and equitable to all pilot groups. Mr. Bloch is free to take any of the methodologies, parts of some, or nothing from the presented final methodologies when constructing his final decision; he is one of the most experienced arbitrators in airline integration and we trust in his judgment and experience.



When Mr. Bloch releases his arbitrated decision we will brief the pilot group on the pertinent details of the decision.



In Unity,

Colgan Air Merger Committee
 
I had no idea there was such venemous sentiment toward us from our "brothers" at pncl. Class act over there, I can't wait to fly with you guys on the line......:rolleyes:
 
I had no idea there was such venemous sentiment toward us from our "brothers" at pncl. Class act over there, I can't wait to fly with you guys on the line......:rolleyes:


you have quite possibly the best profile pic ever
 
I had no idea there was such venemous sentiment toward us from our "brothers" at pncl. Class act over there, I can't wait to fly with you guys on the line......:rolleyes:

So you attribute this to the entire pilot group?? Keep in mind we also didn't have this information until it was posted earlier today. Calling everybody over here classless is a little harsh I'd say.

FWIW...I spend a lot of time in the DTW crewroom...I have NEVER heard anyone suggest a staple of Colgan...don't be so quick to judge.
 
So you attribute this to the entire pilot group?? Keep in mind we also didn't have this information until it was posted earlier today. Calling everybody over here classless is a little harsh I'd say.

FWIW...I spend a lot of time in the DTW crewroom...I have NEVER heard anyone suggest a staple of Colgan...don't be so quick to judge.

You are correct. The Pinnacle pilots did not have any say in this, this is probably the first they have heard of this
 
While I find Sherpa's email interesting I wouldn't even entertain the idea Pinnacle pilots as a whole were down with this.

Of course Kellwolf did say I was gonna be tossing his gear, I did not realize it would be on reserve at JFK. :) Love ya Steve-o. Tram you had something to do with this didn't you? I knew it was you!
 
LMAO! And you people thought *I* was the crazy one?

Believe it or not, I was not a member of the Pinnacle SLI team, nor did I contribute my opinion to our SLI team. Welcome to Pinnacle. Now you see where Pinnacle wants you on the list. We can all pretend to sing lovely songs and watch butterflies, but the bottom line is that Colgan is where it is today because of Pinnacle and Pinnacle money. The Qs, the tremendous growth, etc, was all possible due to 9E. Had it not been for the Pinnacle buyout, Colgan would barely be hanging on at HEF field with 1900s and Saabs, no major growth, and continue being the small mom/pop operation. The exponential growth, success, and opportunities at Colgan was a direct result of the buyout from Pinnacle. Maybe Pinnacle's SLI team feels, as do I, that it's time for Colgan to 'give back' a little to the team?
 
LMAO! And you people thought *I* was the crazy one?

Believe it or not, I was not a member of the Pinnacle SLI team, nor did I contribute my opinion to our SLI team. Welcome to Pinnacle. Now you see where Pinnacle wants you on the list. We can all pretend to sing lovely songs and watch butterflies, but the bottom line is that Colgan is where it is today because of Pinnacle and Pinnacle money. The Qs, the tremendous growth, etc, was all possible due to 9E. Had it not been for the Pinnacle buyout, Colgan would barely be hanging on at HEF field with 1900s and Saabs, no major growth, and continue being the small mom/pop operation. The exponential growth, success, and opportunities at Colgan was a direct result of the buyout from Pinnacle. Maybe Pinnacle's SLI team feels, as do I, that it's time for Colgan to 'give back' a little to the team?

Sure, I'll give you a pat on the back after you do the walk around. Make sure you carry your flashlight even in daytime.
 
LMAO! And you people thought *I* was the crazy one?

Believe it or not, I was not a member of the Pinnacle SLI team, nor did I contribute my opinion to our SLI team. Welcome to Pinnacle. Now you see where Pinnacle wants you on the list. We can all pretend to sing lovely songs and watch butterflies, but the bottom line is that Colgan is where it is today because of Pinnacle and Pinnacle money. The Qs, the tremendous growth, etc, was all possible due to 9E. Had it not been for the Pinnacle buyout, Colgan would barely be hanging on at HEF field with 1900s and Saabs, no major growth, and continue being the small mom/pop operation. The exponential growth, success, and opportunities at Colgan was a direct result of the buyout from Pinnacle. Maybe Pinnacle's SLI team feels, as do I, that it's time for Colgan to 'give back' a little to the team?

I have a question, why didn't Pinnacle pilots get Colgan on board earlier and capture those Q's? It feels like it's cleanup everyone's mess time and Mesaba was the only one with the paper towels on their hands and knees cleaning the floor.
 
I have a question, why didn't Pinnacle pilots get Colgan on board earlier and capture those Q's? It feels like it's cleanup everyone's mess time and Mesaba was the only one with the paper towels on their hands and knees cleaning the floor.

Oh, we tried! Don't you remember? The arbitrator even ruled FOR us Pinnacle guys. Then, magically, he went back on his ruling due to some stupid technicality.
 
So you attribute this to the entire pilot group?? Keep in mind we also didn't have this information until it was posted earlier today. Calling everybody over here classless is a little harsh I'd say.

FWIW...I spend a lot of time in the DTW crewroom...I have NEVER heard anyone suggest a staple of Colgan...don't be so quick to judge.

You're right and i apologize. The Colgan proposal was pretty close to what most of the cjc guys think is fair. Just thought the committee members at pncl would be representing the group the way our Merger committee members represented us.

I guess I should have limited my comments to the PNCL merger committee members.
 
Oh, we tried! Don't you remember? The arbitrator even ruled FOR us Pinnacle guys. Then, magically, he went back on his ruling due to some stupid technicality.

Stupid because you disagree??

I used to act the same way when I was 6 and didn't get what I want, stupid stupid stupid!!!!
 
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