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The company that I work for is very actively hiring for C-12, BE300, Dash-7 Here's what they are looking for:

Avenge Has Immediate Openings for FIXED WING PILOTS
• Military, Guard and Reserve experience strongly preferred
• King Air 200, King Air 300/350, DHC-6, DHC-7 experience preferred
• Active Security Clearance strongly preferred
• Prior OCONUS experience strongly preferred
• PIC of Multi-Engine Turbo Prop experience strongly preferred
• OCONUS rotations, approximately 60-90 days on, 30-60 days off
• Excellent Compensation
• Initial and Recurrent training provided

Visit our website at Avengeinc.com and then send your resume to careers@avengeinc.com . We will be sure to get back to you quickly.
 

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Do they have any minimum times? Would love to do something like this for a while, but not sure if I have enough experience.
 
Most of these ISR contractors are paying pilots in the ballpark of $20K/month. Can't speak for Avenge specifically, though.
 
Yes they have minimum times, primarily 1000 PIC and King Air/Dash-7 experience, also prefer prior military. It's a great opportunity and a good company to fly for. Good way to pay some debt or put money away. I can't disclose what they pay, but Hacker15e is on track. I know they are hiring a lot of pilots at the moment. ANy other questions feel free to ask. Typically you deploy 70-90 days, but no more than 90 at a time with 70-80 being the average and you will be off for a min of 30 days with 50-60 being the average as well.
 
I am in the guard and have a possibly deployment in the sandbox later this year. SO i cant apply now. But after I return I would be very interested. I'll keep this company in mind. thanks for sharing.
 
When they say "Guard/Reserve experience" do they mean as a pilot in the Guard/Reserve? I can see how just having someone who has been deployed to the box as an asset even if they weren't a pilot doing it.
 
What's the best way to apply? I have over 1000 PIC in the B200 with the last three years international/expat experience. Sounds like an exciting gig.

=Jason-
 
Hacker15e said:
Most of these ISR contractors are paying pilots in the ballpark of $20K/month. Can't speak for Avenge specifically, though.
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Out of curiosity, why is it that private contracts pay these civilian pilots tons and tons of money to do a job the military already does where those pilots make sometimes half that amount?
 
c172captain said:
Out of curiosity, why is it that private contracts pay these civilian pilots tons and tons of money to do a job the military already does where those pilots make sometimes half that amount?
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There simply aren't enough military aircraft and crews to perform the mission (in this case, the ISR mission), so they need to be augmented by contractors.

In some cases, the contractors are able to get technologies into aircraft and in flight faster than it would take the military bureaucracy to.
 
You don't have to have been a military pilot, but it's a huge plus. I don't have any military ratings, but have been in the military. We do have some pilots that never had anything to do with the military but those are far and few. You have to look at it from their perspective. Most civilians have no idea on deployment living conditions, rocket attacks, war zone, etc...

Jason, you will probably have no problem with that amount of King Air time, have you ever been to this environment? That may be your biggest hurdle.

c172captain, the main reason we get paid that amount is that we are in a war zone as civilians and like hacker15e said can usually bypass the military bureaucracy, we are just here to fly, have more experience since most of our pilots are retired military, maintain continuity since we don't PCS, etc. Short term we may get paid more, but long term we are far cheaper than using a military aviator.

Last comment, make sure you can get a clearance before you apply. i.e. if you have credit problems, drug/criminal record, don't apply.
 
blee256 said:
I am in the guard and have a possibly deployment in the sandbox later this year. SO i cant apply now. But after I return I would be very interested. I'll keep this company in mind. thanks for sharing.
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It's never a bad idea to introduce yourself and let them know you're interested but can't due to a deployment, they will keep you in mind. I know some guys that had 6 months until retirement and they still interviewed and the company waited for them to retire
 
Hacker15e said:
There simply aren't enough military aircraft and crews to perform the mission (in this case, the ISR mission), so they need to be augmented by contractors.

In some cases, the contractors are able to get technologies into aircraft and in flight faster than it would take the military bureaucracy to.
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I wonder if that will ever be the case for actual combat missions, kind of spookey to think of a contracted close-air support airplane...
 
ppragman said:
I wonder if that will ever be the case for actual combat missions, kind of spookey to think of a contracted close-air support airplane...
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Oh, you mean like when Blackwater bought Super Tucanos a couple years ago?

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2007/08/blackwater-buys/

I think what you'll find is that when political leadership sets up certain no-win situations (like when directed to accomplish a certain set of strategic and tactical objectives, but not provided the funding or manpower to accomplish it), the DoD is going to look to contractors to fill the gap.

Remember, ultimately the military is a civilian-controlled and politically directed organization. It will do whatever the elected leadership tells it to do, and figure out creative ways to accomplish those objectives when typical methods do not work.
 
Hacker15e said:
Oh, you mean like when Blackwater bought Super Tucanos a couple years ago?

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2007/08/blackwater-buys/

I think what you'll find is that when political leadership sets up certain no-win situations (like when directed to accomplish a certain set of strategic and tactical objectives, but not provided the funding or manpower to accomplish it), the DoD is going to look to contractors to fill the gap.

Remember, ultimately the military is a civilian-controlled and politically directed organization. It will do whatever the elected leadership tells it to do, and figure out creative ways to accomplish those objectives when typical methods do not work.
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Oh...wow.

I'd do that gig though, I suppose, the pay was probably outlandish.
 
ppragman said:
Oh...wow.

I'd do that gig though, I suppose, the pay was probably outlandish.
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My guess is that the set of combat aviation qualifications that would be required (significant air-to-ground combat exp, CAS, COIN, FAC-A, ISR, etc) would make the pool of potential hires pretty small and, thus, the pay pretty respectable.
 
ppragman said:
I wonder if that will ever be the case for actual combat missions, kind of spookey to think of a contracted close-air support airplane...
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Look up a company called 'Executive Outcomes' in Africa. Mi-24 and some other air assets... interesting stuff.
 
Hacker15e said:
Oh, you mean like when Blackwater bought Super Tucanos a couple years ago?

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2007/08/blackwater-buys/

I think what you'll find is that when political leadership sets up certain no-win situations (like when directed to accomplish a certain set of strategic and tactical objectives, but not provided the funding or manpower to accomplish it), the DoD is going to look to contractors to fill the gap.

Remember, ultimately the military is a civilian-controlled and politically directed organization. It will do whatever the elected leadership tells it to do, and figure out creative ways to accomplish those objectives when typical methods do not work.
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Blackwater bought one Super Tucano and leased it to the Navy for a few years. I may be wrong, but I think there is a law against U.S. registered aircraft being armed and flown in combat operations.
 
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