Power On Stalls

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staglia

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Took the multi-engine add on checkride today (passed) but the DPE gave me a hard time about doing power-on stalls with the gear up. When we landed, he showed me that the PTS says:

C. TASK: POWER-ON STALLS (AMEL and AMES)
REFERENCES: FAA-H-8083-3, AC 61-67; POH/AFM.
NOTE: In some high performance airplanes, the power setting may have to be reduced below the practical test standards guideline power setting to prevent excessively high pitch attitudes (greater than 30° nose up).
Objective. To determine that the applicant:

1. Exhibits knowledge of the elements related to power-on stalls.
2. Selects an entry altitude that allows the task to be completed no
lower than 3,000 feet (920 meters) AGL.
3. Establishes the takeoff or departure configuration. Sets power to no less than 65 percent available power.
4. Transitions smoothly from the takeoff or departure attitude to a pitch attitude that will induce a stall.
5. Maintains a specified heading ±5°, in straight flight; maintains a specified angle of bank, not to exceed a 20°, ±10° in turning flight, while inducing the stall.
6. Recognizes and recovers promptly as the stall occurs by
simultaneously reducing the angle of attack, increasing power to maximum allowable, and leveling the wings to return to a straight- and-level flight attitude, with a minimum loss of altitude appropriate for the airplane.
7. Retracts flaps to the recommended setting, retracts the landing gear if retractable, after a positive rate of climb is established.
8. Accelerates to VX or VY speed before the final flap retraction; returns to the altitude, heading, and airspeed...


Thoughts??
 
...just wondering if others do the power on stall with the gear down. It always made sense to me to perform them with the gear up which, according to this DPE, isn't correct.


Keep in mind I've only flown complex planes at one flight school. I'm just trying to see the reaction from some of the more experienced guys on here.
 
I don't think I've ever done a power-on stall with the gear down in a retractable gear airplane. I'm sure it would be a useful experience, and the PTS points to that being a valid configuration, but it is not wrong to do it with the gear up in the "departure" configuration. I wonder what his definition of "departure" is, if he thinks you have your gear down the entire time.

Might be another case of 'smile and nod while he signs your new certificate, then move on with your life' if he really was arguing it is wrong to do a power on stall with the gear up.
 
I always did them with gear down and no flaps. I would make the mistake of dropping flaps, but reminded myself.. 'Power on stall just gear down, no flaps"
 
There's two flavors. A takeoff stall and a departure stall. Either is correct but it should have been part of the preflight briefing so that neither of you would be confused on what was going to happen.
 
I'm taking my CMEL on the 25th and FWIW the checklist for the Seneca that I rent reads:

Departure/Power On Stalls
13" MP
Gear and Flaps Up
Props High
Blah Blah Blah

So this is how I plan to do them :)
 
subpilot said:
There's two flavors. A takeoff stall and a departure stall. Either is correct but it should have been part of the preflight briefing so that neither of you would be confused on what was going to happen.
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Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner.

That said, most places only practice the departure stall.
 
Over the past year, I've done my Commercial Single & Multi, and CFI single & multi. Did the Power On (Takoff/Departure/Go-Around) stall on each of them. The only time I ever did them gear down was in training & practice for the checkride. On the check ride(s) the examiner always wanted to do them gear up, and that was invariably because they wanted to move on to the next task (which invariably was also done with the gear up) with a minimal waste of time.
 
I've never done it with the gear down. I guess I could see the logic behind it, but recovering from a full stall when you're so low that the gear is down may require more altitude than you've got- unless you're one of those people who keep the gear down until 500ft waiting until "there's no available runway".
 
Chief Captain said:
I've never done it with the gear down. I guess I could see the logic behind it, but recovering from a full stall when you're so low that the gear is down may require more altitude than you've got
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Not if you initiate your recovery at the first sign of the stall (I.e, stall warning horn) as per the Commercial pts.
 
Roger said:
Not if you initiate your recovery at the first sign of the stall (I.e, stall warning horn) as per the Commercial pts.
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I think that's the ATP PTS. Commercial, I believe requires a buffet, but I don't have any PTS books handy. That said, I was trained to recover at the stall horn, but on the check rides the examiners said to wait for the buffet. The only time I got to recover at the stall horn was on the Vmc Demo.
 
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