ABC nightline special on pilot fatigue & crash-pads

jdlilfan

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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/pilot...n-safety-airline-passengers/story?id=12874949

Check your local listings...I believe this airs 2/9/2011.

Despite denials from the airline industry, large numbers of pilots report to duty every day after getting only a few hours of what fatigue experts call "destructive sleep" in crowded crew lounges and so-called "crash pads," an ABC News investigation has found. Widespread pilot fatigue is putting airline passengers at risk, say critics, and may already have cost lives.

Current and former pilots described missing radio calls, entering incorrect readings in instruments and even falling asleep in mid-flight in the report to be broadcast tonight on "World News with Diane Sawyer" and "Nightline".
Former Continental Express pilot Josh Reikes says one captain warned him, "Don't you ever let me wake up and find you sleeping."



America's most famous pilot, Captain Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger, doubts he could have landed his stricken U.S. Airways jet safely in the Hudson River, saving all 155 people aboard, if he had been sleep-deprived.
"Had we been tired, had we not gotten sufficient rest the night before," said Sullenberger, "we could not have performed at the same level."
Sullenberger says fatigue is an industry-wide problem that "needs to be fixed, and has needed to be fixed for 30 years."



"We have to create a situation in which it's possible" for pilots to get a good, affordable night's sleep, he said. "We have to value this profession enough that people don't have to live out of a crash pad or a crew room."
Dr. Martin Moore-Ede, a fatigue expert who consults for airlines, unions and the government, said that it would be hard for pilots to get adequate rest in the kinds of places where many try to sleep.



"Good sleeping occurs in a dark room, a quiet room, a room that's cool in temperature, and a room where there is no intrusive noise," said Dr. Moore-Ede. "That does not describe a crew lounge."
Wish I got ABC but my town doesn't have a local affiliate.
 
hehe my favorite comment at the end of the article is the one person claiming that regionals are actually 135 operators and that the pilots don't have an ATP...it's pretty funny :) All this time, and I didn't know I wasn't in a 121 operation..hahahaha
 
hehe my favorite comment at the end of the article is the one person claiming that regionals are actually 135 operators and that the pilots don't have an ATP...it's pretty funny :) All this time, and I didn't know I wasn't in a 121 operation..hahahaha

Lets get everything straight, what you see hear are pilots who hold a commercial and not an ATP (Advanced instrument rating) Your 121 operators "common carriers" what they do is purposely over book their own airplanes and charter a flight generally from colagan air. The 121 operators are the ones doing the "holding out" or selling the ticket. That means you the customer are thing your are flying on an airplane from where you bought the ticket from "WRONG"! Your flying Colagan Air. Colagan only operates as a part 135 carrier they are only allowed to charter the hole airplane and not sell each seat individually like a common carrier. And yes the pilots only make between $17,000 and 23,000 a year starting pay, they are not airline pilots they are commercial pilots and they have no business doing airline practices. An ATP is only required for part 121 operations.
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electro_house 8:23 PM

 
that would be the one.. sooo many things wrong...I read that and forgot math...
 
Great... The whole article was on LGA crash pads... I guess I have something to look forward to next month! :)
 
Glad that this stuff is on TV now. The low pay is bad, got it, we all complain and fight back and forth on contracts over that, but the grueling schedules and lack of sleep is a whole 'nother story.

The best part was the video proof of the pilots sleeping in the crew lounges after the companies denied this happens and the FAA said they "weren't aware" this was going on...:insane:

Wondering if it will get the ball rolling (faster) on the legislation already in progress...
 
Glad that this stuff is on TV now. The low pay is bad, got it, we all complain and fight back and forth on contracts over that, but the grueling schedules and lack of sleep is a whole 'nother story.

The best part was the video proof of the pilots sleeping in the crew lounges after the companies denied this happens and the FAA said they "weren't aware" this was going on...:insane:

Wondering if it will get the ball rolling (faster) on the legislation already in progress...

I doubt it. People will watch it then go back to eating their cereal. Like everything els, it will blow over and the government will go back to dragging their feet.
 
The best part was the video proof of the pilots sleeping in the crew lounges after the companies denied this happens and the FAA said they "weren't aware" this was going on...:insane:

I started laughing when he said that. Complete and total BS.
 
I would have sued them if I did, I sure as hell didn't consent to being part of that "news" program. Typical media idiots-riddled with errors, one sided, and out of context statements.
 
I would have sued them if I did, I sure as hell didn't consent to being part of that "news" program. Typical media idiots-riddled with errors, one sided, and out of context statements.

You would have sued the guy that's trying to make flying for a regional a better experience?
 
You would have sued the guy that's trying to make flying for a regional a better experience?
I did not see the story being talked about, but if they are dinging on crashpads...and you guys and gals are wanting them to talk about them, then it could get bad.

Think about the knee jerk legislation we have seen. Now, remember, crashpads are required when commuting; they are not part of work. What is the easiest way to avoid having sleep problems in crashpads? Also, with the sleeping in the crew rooms...I hope it was more referring to the scheduling than people commuting in for work, or this could be bad for all of the current and future commuters out there. Do not be surprised if this does grab hold in congress if there is eventually a limitiation on commuting or elimination of it. I'm just saying to be careful what you wish for when the media airs stories like this from what has been said on here. Again, I did not see the story, just going on what I read here...
 
I did not see the story being talked about, but if they are dinging on crashpads...and you guys and gals are wanting them to talk about them, then it could get bad.

Think about the knee jerk legislation we have seen. Now, remember, crashpads are required when commuting; they are not part of work. What is the easiest way to avoid having sleep problems in crashpads? Also, with the sleeping in the crew rooms...I hope it was more referring to the scheduling than people commuting in for work, or this could be bad for all of the current and future commuters out there. Do not be surprised if this does grab hold in congress if there is eventually a limitiation on commuting or elimination of it. I'm just saying to be careful what you wish for when the media airs stories like this from what has been said on here. Again, I did not see the story, just going on what I read here...

Why the only logical thing to do is outlaw crashpads, that way they can't sleep in them. Duh. Problem solved.
 
I would have sued them if I did, I sure as hell didn't consent to being part of that "news" program. Typical media idiots-riddled with errors, one sided, and out of context statements.

The alternative is that the media doesn't report it at all.
 
yeah...I could see this becoming leading to a ban on commuting rather than any improvements. Also filming sleeping pilots without consent is NOT cool. I could see that leading to repercussions for them rather than helping them.....
 
I did not see the story being talked about, but if they are dinging on crashpads...and you guys and gals are wanting them to talk about them, then it could get bad.

Think about the knee jerk legislation we have seen. Now, remember, crashpads are required when commuting; they are not part of work. What is the easiest way to avoid having sleep problems in crashpads? Also, with the sleeping in the crew rooms...I hope it was more referring to the scheduling than people commuting in for work, or this could be bad for all of the current and future commuters out there. Do not be surprised if this does grab hold in congress if there is eventually a limitiation on commuting or elimination of it. I'm just saying to be careful what you wish for when the media airs stories like this from what has been said on here. Again, I did not see the story, just going on what I read here...

Commuting will never be outlawed. If it were, there would be no airline pilots left to do the flying.

You're not suddenly going to convince 70% of your pilot group to say, "Hey! You know what would be a great idea? Moving my family every 18-24 months when I get displaced from base to base for the rest of my career! That sure sounds swell!"
 
You're not suddenly going to convince 70% of your pilot group to say, "Hey! You know what would be a great idea? Moving my family every 18-24 months when I get displaced from base to base for the rest of my career! That sure sounds swell!"

That or the company being responsible for paying for the move like other unionized industries.
 
That or the company being responsible for paying for the move like other unionized industries.

We are dealing with pilots here. All the company would have to do is tell their employees by company memo, "Ladies and Gentlemen, we are moving you from Memphis to New York city next week, and even though all of you have an acceptable QOL living in a cheap part of the nation, we are going to move you to one of the most expensive places in the country with the half serious promise that we expect a lot of growth in the NYC market and expect you will all upgrade soon if you'll just pay the moving expenses for us. Delta is hiring! Fedex too! Work for free and absolution is right around the corner!"

Problem solved. Throw in a God damn fancy watch or something as a closer and you'll get the whole base to move.
 
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