How Lively is GA where you live?

Just wondering, why do people pm info like this? Especially to people that they don't know except for on JC? It seems like if you're going to give it to one person you don't know, you mine as well give it to everyone you don't know...Not to mention, I don't think the place would mind the advertising....(this isn't an attack on you or anything Amjon, just wondering why everyone does this :))
 
Just wondering, why do people pm info like this? Especially to people that they don't know except for on JC? It seems like if you're going to give it to one person you don't know, you mine as well give it to everyone you don't know...Not to mention, I don't think the place would mind the advertising....(this isn't an attack on you or anything Amjon, just wondering why everyone does this :))
Actually I have met Polar in person. ;) To answer your question, the place may not mind the advertising, but Doug might. If anyone wants it they could always PM for it as well.
 
Actually I have met Polar in person. ;) To answer your question, the place may not mind the advertising, but Doug might. If anyone wants it they could always PM for it as well.

Oh....well....quiet :p
Haha makes sense.
 
Like I said though, within about a 1.5-2 hour drive of me, there is NOTHING of significance for GA. It's a shame, I really miss flying!!!

Yea just looked up where Pike County is on the map. Sucks when you dont live real close to any big cities. With Akron and Cleveland being less than a hr away and Sandusky with the islands bring activity there GA is very abundant around this part of Ohio.
 
I'm really curious as to what causes the large variation in rental prices for basically the same aircraft from one region to another. Obviously there are some airports where rent and fuel are ridiculously high, why some of these operations don't move elsewhere has always bewildered me.

I just don't see how you can have a 172 rent for $100/hr in one locale and then go for $150/hr for a similar year model.

I do agree with jrh to a small extent in that if someone wants to fly, they're going to find the money to do so. But just speaking from my own personal situation, the comparative high price of rentals where I live now, compared to where I was flying back in my hometown has definitely stifled my ability to fly enough to make it worthwhile for me. I think the key for some outfits may not be lowering the prices on what they've got on the line already, but maybe putting a few aircraft out there that have a basic stack and just allow people to go shoot holes in the sky. Not everything out there needs to have an IFR stack or have a Garmin 430 in the panel. Yet most places I look at today have very few, if any, VFR only aircraft available to rent.
 
I both agree and disagree with jrh. I will pay the premium dollars for flight training from someone I know and trust and is thorough, but I would fly more if prices were closer to ~100 bucks an hour. I mean 20-30 bucks per hour adds up quick.

On the other side of the coin, I *do* find the money to fly (however excruciatingly little), and would unless the prices grew to be so large that I absolutely couldn't afford it.
 
I both agree and disagree with jrh. I will pay the premium dollars for flight training from someone I know and trust and is thorough, but I would fly more if prices were closer to ~100 bucks an hour. I mean 20-30 bucks per hour adds up quick.

And you flew...how much?...when you lived in Vegas and had ~$100/hour options? Not trying to call you out, just saying, you're proving my point without thinking about it.

I've seen it so many times before...people will say one thing but actually do another. It's not logical, it's based off their perceptions. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that necessarily. It's just the way it is.

Look at it this way...a person could rent a plane for $125/hr and fly 4 hours per month, or $100/hour and fly 5 hours per month for the exact same price. You could make a 1.0 hour flight once per week, or a 1.2 hour flight once per week. Is it really that much less fun or useful to go up for 1.0 versus 1.2?

But instead of getting out there and going for it, they decide not to fly at all because flying is "too expensive." Well, maybe it is, but if that's the case, it's going to be too expensive at either price. I don't expect everyone to put $500/month in to flying, but if a person *does* have that sort of disposable income, I think it's dumb to sit on the sidelines because of a $20-30/hr price difference.

Heck, the people who simply fly on a regular basis and are comfortable in a plane can probably accomplish as much in 1.0 hours as the once-a-monther does in 1.2 hours because the first pilot will spend less time running checklists, double checking everything, thinking about what to say on the radio, flying a wider pattern so they don't botch the landing, etc.

Now, if a person wants to talk about flying a 1940s VFR Champ for $60/hr versus a glass cockpit 172 for 2.5x as much at $150/hour, I can understand what people are talking about. But then again, an argument like that is comparing apples to oranges. Those are two different rental markets. The planes have completely different purposes and are flown by completely different demographics. The pilots interested in one probably wouldn't be interested in the other, regardless of price.


I hope I don't come off like a jerk for saying all this. I'm not judging anyone or saying everybody can afford to fly. I'm just saying, one of the keys I've found to staying excited about aviation is to budget, yet not worry about every nickel and dime I spend on flying. I have $400/month automatically transferred from my checking account to my "flying" savings account. Whenever I need gas, maintenance, or whatever, the money is always there. I recently had some extra so I installed a Reiff engine heater and battery maintainer to make it easy to fly even on these friggin' cold Nebraska days. I'm having a blast. I wish everybody could have this much fun with aviation.
 
I just don't see how you can have a 172 rent for $100/hr in one locale and then go for $150/hr for a similar year model.

Probably depends on how much they fly. While the running costs are probably similar (fuel, oil, MX), the fixed costs are more expensive per hour for planes that don't fly much. Let's say that 172 costs $4,000/year to insure. If it only flies 80 hours/year, it costs $46/hour more than a 172 that flies 80 hours/month.
 
Tons of excellent points

Very true, I also had a different income (lower), with higher bills, so the 135 I find difficult to pay here became the 100 I could not pay there. Granted, I did not budget for flying at all there, which is my own fault, and I regret it.

I need to budget for flying, instead of whining and blowing my money on fast food.
 
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