Counting CROSS COUNTRY time on your resume?

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Monkie_Pilot

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Hello,

Was wondering what the general consensus is when putting your cross country time on your resume?

Do you use cross country time for whenever you went to another airport or only cross country time to another airport that is 50 NM or greater?

Which one do employers want to see?

PART 61.1(b)(3) - Definition of Cross-country time
http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part61-1-FAR.shtml
 
I would say not to put it on unless you know it is something your potential employer likes to see. An example is that I put glass cockpit time on my resume to American Eagle as they have had a past of favoring people with glass cockpit experience.

X-country time for something other than a Part 135 job would be a waste of space on your resume. And in the case of the 135 job all you would need is the point to point definition, not the 50nm definition.
 
For an "aviation resume", I itemize my times. This includes itemizing the 135.243(c) requirements. The latter because I have no prior Part 135 flight experience and desire to remain in Part 135. As my experience in the industry increases, my resume will be modified accordingly.
 
Monkie_Pilot said:
Hello,

Was wondering what the general consensus is when putting your cross country time on your resume?

Do you use cross country time for whenever you went to another airport or only cross country time to another airport that is 50 NM or greater?

Which one do employers want to see?

PART 61.1(b)(3) - Definition of Cross-country time
http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part61-1-FAR.shtml
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well it completely depends on what your goal is.

essentially a cross country is a flight from one airport to another airport using some kind of navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage, etc.)
(even if its only a mile away)

BUT it now depends one what your logging it for.
1. FAR requirements for a rating is at least 50 NM (PPL, CML)(25nm for a student, but not getting into that)
2. To meet 135 IFR minimums its 500 XC as recorded by point to point (no 50nm requirement)
3. To meet ATP minimums all you need is to depart an airport and go a straight line distance of 50 nm, you don't have to land.(just be careful with the last one, im sure more will give more details later)

as for a resume, again it depends where your applying (91,135,121..)
I put ATP XC totals on mine unless i was applying a 135 outfit, then i put both

hope that helps a bit
 
CFIT99 said:
2. To meet 135 IFR minimums its 500 XC as recorded by point to point (no 50nm requirement)
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I would agree with the above posts, if you're applying to a part 135 operator just stick to 135 x/c requirements on the resume.

My apologies for a quick thread hijack, but could someone clarify the legalities of a CFI logging time toward Part 135 x/c requirements?

Scenario: CFI and student pilot go to another airport to practice some landings. Can the CFI log the time toward Part 135 x/c if they never log a landing themselves as "sole-manipulator of the controls" while at the other airport?
 
amd87 said:
I would agree with the above posts, if you're applying to a part 135 operator just stick to 135 x/c requirements on the resume.

My apologies for a quick thread hijack, but could someone clarify the legalities of a CFI logging time toward Part 135 x/c requirements?

Scenario: CFI and student pilot go to another airport to practice some landings. Can the CFI log the time toward Part 135 x/c if they never log a landing themselves as "sole-manipulator of the controls" while at the other airport?
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First; Resume.

If you are trying to obtain an IFR 135 job, then list your time on your resumes, indicating you meet the 135 mins.

If you are applying to a job where you meet the ATP mins, or are applying in hopes of doing an ATP in conjunction 135/121 ride then list FAR XC time, stating you meet the ATP mins.

Once you reach ATP, don't include XC, instrument, night... At that point in your career, no one really cares. It's more about total time and time in type.

Secondly, amd87:
Do you log PIC time as a CFI? If so why, you aren't "sole manipulator." Thousands of gigabites of bandwidth has been wasted on this topic.
 
dhc2tacksby said:
Secondly, amd87:
Do you log PIC time as a CFI? If so why, you aren't "sole manipulator." Thousands of gigabites of bandwidth has been wasted on this topic.
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A CFI cannot log landings their student makes since the CFI is not the "sole manipulator" of the controls. I realize when logging x/c time for an ATP you need a flight of over 50nm (no landing requirement), but for 135.243 requirements the logging of x/c time requires a landing.

My question dealt with the fact that if a CFI never logs a "landing" at the other airport, would that conflict with 61.1, which requires a landing to be made. But, never mind, I realize this sort of thing has been absolutely beaten to death so disregard.
 
Just because I'm feeling nice today:

You don't need to log a landing in order to comply with FAR XC time. Time spent more than 50 nm from departure is good enough.
 
Perhaps I should have clarified.

Let's say airport "A" is 10nm from airport "B". That can be logged x/c, toward Part 135.243, as long as a landing is made. What if the CFI does not log the landing since he is not sole manipulator of the controls?
 
It does not matter how many landings you log, or if you even log them. When you get to an SIC slot, you will log the time as x-country even though all you did was swing the gear and position the flaps. No one is going to ask you "so how many landings have you made?" Heck, you don't even have to be current(90 days) to act as a CFI since the FAA doesn't consider the student or the CFI a passenger. There were some LOI's floating around here that explained it, but I can't seem to find them.
 
mshunter said:
Oh, it made perfect sense before, I just thought I'd give ya a rib shot! :D
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I know you think I know what you think you said when you meant what you thought you said but how could it now make "perfect sense" when previously it made "zero sense"?
 
mshunter said:
It does not matter how many landings you log, or if you even log them. When you get to an SIC slot, you will log the time as x-country even though all you did was swing the gear and position the flaps. No one is going to ask you "so how many landings have you made?" Heck, you don't even have to be current(90 days) to act as a CFI since the FAA doesn't consider the student or the CFI a passenger. There were some LOI's floating around here that explained it, but I can't seem to find them.
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I can clarify what he is saying. For Part 135, which your reply had nothing to do with, you need the 500 x-country as defined here:

61.1(b) said:
(3) Cross-country time means—
(i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(3)(ii) through (b)(3)(vi) of this section, time acquired during flight—
(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;
(B) Conducted in an aircraft;
(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and
(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
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Here is the question. If a CFI can not log landings a student makes, how can they log x-country time toward 135 minimums?

A landing is clearly part of the requirement and by not logging the landing you are saying you did not land at the destination. The only cross-country definintion that does not require a landing is when logging x-country toward your ATP.

I argue that while being a flight instructor you are a required crew member (the LOIs you mention confirm this) and you may log the landing. Now just because you logged the landing it doesn't mean it counts toward passenger currency, it merely shows you were involved as a crew member. If you were the sole manipulator at the time of the landing you should note that in your log book. Don't forget to note your takeoffs as well.

I have yet to have anyone show me why I can not log all landings. So long as I note the landings I was the sole manip there will be no problems.
 
Maurus said:
I can clarify what he is saying. For Part 135, which your reply had nothing to do with, you need the 500 x-country as defined here:



Here is the question. If a CFI can not log landings a student makes, how can they log x-country time toward 135 minimums?

A landing is clearly part of the requirement and by not logging the landing you are saying you did not land at the destination. The only cross-country definintion that does not require a landing is when logging x-country toward your ATP.

I argue that while being a flight instructor you are a required crew member (the LOIs you mention confirm this) and you may log the landing. Now just because you logged the landing it doesn't mean it counts toward passenger currency, it merely shows you were involved as a crew member. If you were the sole manipulator at the time of the landing you should note that in your log book. Don't forget to note your takeoffs as well.

I have yet to have anyone show me why I can not log all landings. So long as I note the landings I was the sole manip there will be no problems.
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I am lost with your post. If you put that you flew from point a to b, and no landings noted, then how did you get to point b? I have quite a few entries in my log book that have no landings logged, but there is still x-country time noted, and I don't have my ATP, and it's legal. As far as logging the landings, log whatever you want. "In a manner acceptable to the Administrator" is all that matters at the end of the day.
 
mshunter said:
I am lost with your post. If you put that you flew from point a to b, and no landings noted, then how did you get to point b? I have quite a few entries in my log book that have no landings logged, but there is still x-country time noted, and I don't have my ATP, and it's legal. As far as logging the landings, log whatever you want. "In a manner acceptable to the Administrator" is all that matters at the end of the day.
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Can you point to a reg that says a CFI can log a landing that is also logged in the student's logbook? How can two people possibly be the "sole manipulator of the controls"?

You may have legitimate XC time in your logbook that is >50nm with no landing...however my question pertains to 135.243 requirements..."point-to-point" cross-country.

The scenario is: CFI and student depart airport "A" and fly 10nm to airport "B". No landing is logged in the CFI's logbook as he was not the sole manipulator of the controls during the landing at airport "B". Can the CFI log this time in accordance with 61.1?

I feel as though it is accepted that the CFI may log the time toward Part 135 mins., however after I thought about it some more it seemed a bit more complex.

I'm probably over-thinking this, but have yet to see any LOI on the subject (other than those presented earlier).

One more side-note: Sorry for bringing up another time logging question...I know it's been the plague lately...just something that caught my attention tonight.
 
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