Mystery Missile or Jetliner Contrail over Southern Cal. ?

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U.S. sees no threat in mystery 'missile'
Pentagon says it's baffled, but scientists suggest it's just a jetliner with spectacular contrail

MSNBC said:
LOS ANGELES — U.S. officials said Tuesday they had no clue what could have created a mysterious plume that streaked across the sky off the Southern California coast Monday night, but they said they didn't think there was any threat to the United States.
MSNBC said:
Speculation immediately arose that some sort of missile may have been fired after Los Angeles TV station KCBS videotaped the spectacular trail from one of its traffic helicopters.

Marine Col. Dave Lapan, a spokesman for the Defense Department, said the Pentagon was talking to the Federal Aviation Administration and other government agencies but that "so far, we've come up empty with any explanation."

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Re: Mystery Missile or Jetliner Contrail over Southern Cal.

It's a North Korean plot to take over the world!

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Guy says "It could be an ICBM from a submarine, an underwater submarine". Awesome.

I heard it was a backyard launch by a science nut. His son is thought to have accidentally gotten into the capsule. Space Shuttle sent up for rescue mission.
 
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Westbound, too. Only 5,500 nm to the China Sea.
 
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Westbound, too. Only 5,500 nm to the China Sea.

Speaking of China, might it have been a Chinese sub off our shores launching one off? Wasn't a few years back one of their subs surfaced within 5 miles of the USS Kitty Hawk aircraft carrier, having slipped through/past ASW ships that were escorting the carrier.
 
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Speaking of China, might it have been a Chinese sub off our shores launching one off? Wasn't a few years back one of their subs surfaced within 5 miles of the USS Kitty Hawk aircraft carrier, having slipped through/past ASW ships that were escorting the carrier.

If so that is badass on their part. I always thought it would be cool to send an F-117 into North Korea in the middle of the night, have it do a touch and go, then brag about it later. Realistic...I doubt it, but certainly a better way to show off the size of our donger.
 
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Speaking of China, might it have been a Chinese sub off our shores launching one off? Wasn't a few years back one of their subs surfaced within 5 miles of the USS Kitty Hawk aircraft carrier, having slipped through/past ASW ships that were escorting the carrier.

Supplies!
 
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If so that is badass on their part. I always thought it would be cool to send an F-117 into North Korea in the middle of the night, have it do a touch and go, then brag about it later. Realistic...I doubt it, but certainly a better way to show off the size of our donger.

Funny you mention. When I was based in Korea one day way back when, a buddy of mine and I launched in our A-10s to go be Forward Air Controllers over different parts of South Korea next to the DMZ. A US aircraft carrier had shown up off the east coast of South Korea, and its air wing wanted a little play time and fam time working with Korea-based units. They coordinated with us to meet, with 2 F/A-18s each, up near the DMZ and practice simulated air-ground ordnance employment. My buddy and I split after takeoff, him going to his Observation Point (OP) , and me to mine........each being a geographical landmark where the Hornets were supposed to meet us. My two Hornets show up in about 15 mins, and I work them for about another 15 minutes coordinating simulated airstrikes. They bingo out and RTB to their carrier. Just as Im about getting done with them, my partner calls up on interplane from his OP located about 20 miles away asking if my Hornets had shown up. I told him yeah, and they were preparing to leave. He said his never checked in. He attempted to call them on a few different freqs with no response. Our mission complete, and figuring his Hornets had just aborted their mission with no way to communicate that to us, we RTBd to our own base. Folllowing landing, there was brass waiting for the both of us and we were instructed to shutdown immediately and leave the postflight to other pilots to handle. We were shuffled to the Wing HQ and into the Colonel's office where we were immediately grilled on what happened? We told them one section of Hornets showed and the other didn't......why? Turns out, my buddy's section of Hornets departed a little late, had the wrong freq and had inputted the wrong coordinates in their INS. They flew past his OP, across the DMZ and about 45 miles into North Korea, attempting to contact my buddy. They hung around in North Korea for another 20 minutes attempting contact with him, then figuring that WE had likely aborted our own mission, they turned back south and slowly trucked back across the DMZ into South Korea and to their carrier. No North Koreans responded, no MiGs, no SAMs, nothing. They had South Korean radar controllers yelling warnings to them on guard, but never received them, etc. Never did find out what happened to that crew, but the NKs didn't take kindly to some of their own senior military leadership after that one.

So there's the story for the day.
 
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Having seen a number of rocket launches in my time, it looks the same.

in all seriousness, this is NOT a good thing if it really was a rocket of some sort and nobody in NORAD or the Navy, or anybody else in the military knows about it. Achmed in a motorboat could do a lot of damage once he figures out how to read a compass
 
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in all seriousness, this is NOT a good thing if it really was a rocket of some sort and nobody in NORAD or the Navy, or anybody else in the military knows about it. Achmed in a motorboat could do a lot of damage once he figures out how to read a compass

Im starting to think that there might not be any explanation that won't make DOD look bad here in some way. If it was a US launch from the San Nicholas test area, why not just admit it, as its kind of difficult to deny.
 
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admitting it would be the least bad option, even if it was a screw up.
 
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Im starting to think that there might not be any explanation that won't make DOD look bad here in some way. If it was a US launch from the San Nicholas test area, why not just admit it, as its kind of difficult to deny.

Hell, why not just say that's what it was anyway? Do that, and everyone shuts up and moves on to the next crisis created by network news channels.

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admitting it would be the least bad option, even if it was a screw up.

Thats the thing. Previous launches Ive seen from KVBG, KWSD area and the 95E area have all been seen by many people and readily acknowledged by the USAF or Army, as the missile trail looks just like what the pic shows, and hangs around for hours getting "snake" looking in the jetstream before dissipating, usually with varying colors within it. It's not like an airliner con that dissipates quickly or at worst hangs around for a bit.

Hell, why not just say that's what it was anyway? Do that, and everyone shuts up and moves on to the next crisis created by network news channels.

:dunno:

Good point too. But now that they've claimed ignorance, they've gone down the road of either looking stupid, or incompetant.
 
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Speaking of China, might it have been a Chinese sub off our shores launching one off? Wasn't a few years back one of their subs surfaced within 5 miles of the USS Kitty Hawk aircraft carrier, having slipped through/past ASW ships that were escorting the carrier.
Scary to think that is what it could have been! Not necessarily China, because we owe them a LOT of money, but other nations that do not like us as much...

in all seriousness, this is NOT a good thing if it really was a rocket of some sort and nobody in NORAD or the Navy, or anybody else in the military knows about it. Achmed in a motorboat could do a lot of damage once he figures out how to read a compass
Or a sub!!

Im starting to think that there might not be any explanation that won't make DOD look bad here in some way. If it was a US launch from the San Nicholas test area, why not just admit it, as its kind of difficult to deny.
Yeah, that was definitely a missile launch. So, that begs the question of who launched it off the coast of Cali?!

admitting it would be the least bad option, even if it was a screw up.
Or even if it was not us??
 
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Scary to think that is what it could have been! Not necessarily China, because we owe them a LOT of money, but other nations that do not like us as much...

Thats what gets me. A chinese launch of a missile off the coast, would be a next "step up" from the aircraft carrier surfacing incident showing what they can do. Granted, it's darn near a provocation, but still its mainly an embarassment, just as the Kitty Hawk incident was. And, the Chinese have recently activated their missile subs.
 
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