Sioux80.

Thunder-Robo said:
Haha. Nope, seriously, 15min... I wrote the time down on my knee board with intentions of using it when opening my flight plan. I ended up opening with the 'Time off' given to my by the 1000, nearly 16minutes later. And yes, i was on tower when doing my runup, we were both holding short of 17L already.

As far as it stopping on the active... It could have been what they were doing... they just took a heck of a long time doing it.

I wonder if i could pull up the archives on LiveATC or w/e that site's called. I was in 43.
*edit* flightaware has me opening up the flight plan at 17:31 for my 5:15 launch... so it's somewhere in there.
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Ah, gotcha. Yeah, stopping on the runway and running up the engines to check the indications is annoying. I don't like to do it, but I have to. :)

Thunder-Robo said:
aww lame, liveatc only has 118.4 )=
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Yeah, that and also 132.3 or 118.1 or both.
 
shoulda gone to Western, we got three taxiways to do run-ups on :insane:
 
coa787 said:
Thunder-Robo said:
As far as it stopping on the active... It could have been what they were doing... they just took a heck of a long time doing it.
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Yeah, stopping on the runway and running up the engines to check the indications is annoying. I don't like to do it, but I have to. :)
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Eh, I don't know if I should clarify, but I will so that there's no confusion: It was not me in that airplane.
 
If you want to talk about inconsiderate, I had a 102 doing night landings in GFK this summer and while we were in the pattern on short final (after tower was closed) some yahoo clicked the lights. Off.
 
As an ex UND guy I can only say get used to it, GFK is one of the friendliest most professional training environments you can fly in.

Its the Banana Republic down here, I recently had a LR45 pull out in front of me when I was on final while doing night touch and gos without talking on the radio. And this sort of activity isn't that rare down here either. Shutting down the tower at night is the greatest idea ever (sarcasm)
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
As an ex UND guy I can only say get used to it, GFK is one of the friendliest most professional training environments you can fly in.
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I second that...I've seen lots nastier back at home, some of the controllers get their feathers ruffled at the slightest thing out of the ordinary. For the most part things run really smoothly considering the volume of training at GFK.
 
Guys this kind of crap will happen every single day when you start flying for a living. Stay professional and polite. Patience is a virtue.
 
Words for stage checks, we do work on this. Quality is always first above speed, but to an extent. We do unsat if things take way too long and we comment during the debrief to the student and instructor when it takes a while.

A big one that has been very weak in 102 and 221 is not turning at least 30 degrees from centerline for the runup. American undergraduates, especially part 61 student have been the worst at this by far. Contract students are on a contract. If we tell them they need to turn for the runup, they turn for the runup as they can't unsat too many stage checks before they're kicked out.

So we do work on it, and you could probably get a debrief on what happened to take so long if you went to talk to a lead. 15 minutes is a long time and the leads can track down who was flying Sx80 and get the whole story. Did you or your CFI try that?

On your own end, how far out do you fly base? I know students that go to the north edge of Lagoon when they are #1 on 17L. Well when we have a stage that is just 2 landings long and it takes 1.0 because people can't fly a proper pattern, that's just the way it is. We deal with it, we get it done, that's what happens when you fly at busier airports. Just try and fly into KJFK with a Cessna and see how easy that is. You'll have much longer delays.
 
Two things:

1. You can only be the captain of one airplane, at one time.

2. At UND you'll spend well over $30,000 on your flight training. $150 is a drop in the bucket.
 
ProudPilot said:
A big one that has been very weak in 102 and 221 is not turning at least 30 degrees from centerline for the runup. American undergraduates, especially part 61 student have been the worst at this by far. Contract students are on a contract. If we tell them they need to turn for the runup, they turn for the runup as they can't unsat too many stage checks before they're kicked out.
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Where does it say in the PTS "how the runup is to be completed"....

I just want to be clear on that you're unsating students on "technique"....
 
taildragger173 said:
Two things:

1. You can only be the captain of one airplane, at one time.

2. At UND you'll spend well over $30,000 on your flight training. $150 is a drop in the bucket.
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Of course... But that doesn't mean I can't get ticked off.

Every dollar makes a difference when your gonna be throwing $60k at them.
 
I always thought we wanted to point the airplane in such a way as to allow for maximum engine cooling during high power/zero airspeed operation that is the runup, and as such that would be into the wind?
 
I love the people who pull up behind and do there run-up facing you maybe 10 feet away. Talk about scary.
 
Thunder-Robo said:
Of course... But that doesn't mean I can't get ticked off.

Every dollar makes a difference when your gonna be throwing $60k at them.
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There is a lot to be said for being considerate when you're operating your airplane.

As far as every dollar making a difference, thats true however you're at UND to learn to fly and build some flight time. You're getting time sitting in line too and working a lot less hard.
 
taildragger173 said:
There is a lot to be said for being considerate when you're operating your airplane.

As far as every dollar making a difference, thats true however you're at UND to learn to fly and build some flight time. You're getting time sitting in line too and working a lot less hard.
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Oh come on... I might as well fly to an small strip in the middle of no where, tie the plane to a tree and let the hobbs roll while grilling up some brats. :cwm27: You know what I'm saying? I came to UND to become a more proficient and competent pilot, there are MUCH better ways to build hours in a much funner and cheaper environment...

But yes, I really don't have much patience, and it's something I need to work on.
 
gotWXdagain said:
I always thought we wanted to point the airplane in such a way as to allow for maximum engine cooling during high power/zero airspeed operation that is the runup, and as such that would be into the wind?
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There can't be much more cooling when we do runups upwind vs downwind... You do after all have a huge fan that sits infront of your engine.

I've always been taught that you must avoid doing runups in strong crosswinds because the wind may unbalance the prop...

That was, at least the answer I gave on my TC check ride and the examiner loved it.
 
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