Douglas
Old School KSUX
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
Why do you keep confusing, "being Okay with..." and being a rat?
Why do you keep confusing, "being Okay with..." and being a rat?
Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU do?
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Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
I think it's just as funny that you'd be in a rush to go out of your way to rat on a friend.
But, apparently your priority would be making yourself feel like you're "protecting" your profession...against a situation you'd have a tough time arguing is doing any actual, noticeable "damage" to it.
After all, you know how highly coveted and rare those pilot positions with low-paying sleazeball operators are. Yep, ruining the profession all right.
I think it's just as funny that you'd be in a rush to go out of your way to rat on a friend.
But, apparently your priority would be making yourself feel like you're "protecting" your profession...against a situation you'd have a tough time arguing is doing any actual, noticeable "damage" to it.
After all, you know how highly coveted and rare those pilot positions with low-paying sleazeball operators are. Yep, ruining the profession all right.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
The funny thing about this discussion - the pilots I know that would do such a thing don't even keep logbooks.
esa17
Well-Known Member
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
I have an ATP and will be fine if the biggest thing I ever fly is a King Air, print out my logbook and tape it into a bound one, and would consider it good airmenship to retract the flaps in the flare on some occasions. On top of that I didn't shave before work today and still wouldn't rat this guy out.
Obviously my high self-esteem is misplaced since I don't see why this is an issue to get stomach acid about on either side of the fence. He might get caught, he might not. Just put his name in a hat and if he ever finds himself interviewing for a job in front of you ask him a question about breaking regs....Done.
I have an ATP and will be fine if the biggest thing I ever fly is a King Air, print out my logbook and tape it into a bound one, and would consider it good airmenship to retract the flaps in the flare on some occasions. On top of that I didn't shave before work today and still wouldn't rat this guy out.
Obviously my high self-esteem is misplaced since I don't see why this is an issue to get stomach acid about on either side of the fence. He might get caught, he might not. Just put his name in a hat and if he ever finds himself interviewing for a job in front of you ask him a question about breaking regs....Done.
intern_mike
E-175 f/o
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
I once got busted driving on a suspended license. Was i an idiot for taking the chance? Yes. Did I drive any differently after I got the issue resolved? Hell no. This guy knows he's risking it, and he can pay the price if he gets caught. But to go out of ur way to bust him will just bring you bad karma. Let it be.
I once got busted driving on a suspended license. Was i an idiot for taking the chance? Yes. Did I drive any differently after I got the issue resolved? Hell no. This guy knows he's risking it, and he can pay the price if he gets caught. But to go out of ur way to bust him will just bring you bad karma. Let it be.
ryan1234
Desensitized Member
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
I'm not 'protecting' him by not rating on him... if I was 'protecting' him, I would try to prevent him from being caught - there is a distinction.
Not rating on him has nothing to do with "doing the profession a favor" - it has to do with being a friend. If someone calls me a friend - I would never willfully sell him out - if he was directly doing harm to himself and a bunch of other people, ok - depending on the exact circumstance. I would expect the same from my friends... because loyalty means more.
I'm not 'protecting' him by not rating on him... if I was 'protecting' him, I would try to prevent him from being caught - there is a distinction.
Not rating on him has nothing to do with "doing the profession a favor" - it has to do with being a friend. If someone calls me a friend - I would never willfully sell him out - if he was directly doing harm to himself and a bunch of other people, ok - depending on the exact circumstance. I would expect the same from my friends... because loyalty means more.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
For all we know, we are talking about some kid running errands in his dad's company Bonanza....
starman2112
Well-Known Member
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
I'm wondering what this "friend" is doing to break the regs? Maybe the person in question should just get his Commercial cert and be done with it. seems like an easy fix for me. but then again, maybe he can't get a proper medical. I wouldn't rat out a friend i'd just inform him/her that they're being stupid and need to either do it right or not do it at all.
I'm wondering what this "friend" is doing to break the regs? Maybe the person in question should just get his Commercial cert and be done with it. seems like an easy fix for me. but then again, maybe he can't get a proper medical. I wouldn't rat out a friend i'd just inform him/her that they're being stupid and need to either do it right or not do it at all.
WacoFan
Bigly
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
I was signed off for repeated Solo's from KDWH to KHOU shortly after solo. I worked the line. I was also checked out in everything except the airplanes with retractable gear. When the occassion arose, someone would need to go to Hobby from Hooks (which is way north, by IAH). They would rent the airplane, fly to Hobby, go to Millionaire, they'd get their bags and I'd fly the airplane back. Or, there would be parts for one of the airplanes at Aviall at Hobby and I fly down there, retrieve the part and return. Were those commercial ops? I wasn't being paid. It was a blast though - even if I couldn't take the 140 or Citabria and had to take a Warrior or a 172.
I was signed off for repeated Solo's from KDWH to KHOU shortly after solo. I worked the line. I was also checked out in everything except the airplanes with retractable gear. When the occassion arose, someone would need to go to Hobby from Hooks (which is way north, by IAH). They would rent the airplane, fly to Hobby, go to Millionaire, they'd get their bags and I'd fly the airplane back. Or, there would be parts for one of the airplanes at Aviall at Hobby and I fly down there, retrieve the part and return. Were those commercial ops? I wasn't being paid. It was a blast though - even if I couldn't take the 140 or Citabria and had to take a Warrior or a 172.
aloft
New Member
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
Makes me wonder if anyone over at gayviator.com uses a different color for each line....Max?Rainbow logbook FTW!
Okie_Pilot
Pitts Builder
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
And I agree with you 100% on that.
I meant no disrespect, but was simply trying to bring up my point. We've all read the threads about "WhaT iF I uSeD WhiteouT In mY LoGbOoK?!?11?, What will the interviewers think?? Will I ever get hired because all I had at the time was a BLUUUE pen??" Then someone says "Oh well, they'll catch that HIGHLY ILLEGAL flying when he gets interviewed by the airline mafia board 8 years from now." Some people don't realize that there's flying out there with no chief pilots or interview boards to go through.
:yeahthat:
And I agree with you 100% on that.
I meant no disrespect, but was simply trying to bring up my point. We've all read the threads about "WhaT iF I uSeD WhiteouT In mY LoGbOoK?!?11?, What will the interviewers think?? Will I ever get hired because all I had at the time was a BLUUUE pen??" Then someone says "Oh well, they'll catch that HIGHLY ILLEGAL flying when he gets interviewed by the airline mafia board 8 years from now." Some people don't realize that there's flying out there with no chief pilots or interview boards to go through.
:yeahthat:
fholbert
Mod's - Please don't edit my posts!
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
We had a student pilot (aircraft owner) at my airport flying passengers on his cross country business trips. Pretty soon they were night cross countries, then an night IFR departure (100' and a 1/2 mile) where he killed himself and his passenger. The wreckage was 528 yards off the departure end. It took 14 days to find them and both families celebrated Christmas knowing bodies of their loved ones were laying in the rain and mud somewhere.
His friends didn't want to Rat Him Out. Some friends he had.
Here's the accident report: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20040106X00022&ntsbno=LAX04FA081&akey=1
We had a student pilot (aircraft owner) at my airport flying passengers on his cross country business trips. Pretty soon they were night cross countries, then an night IFR departure (100' and a 1/2 mile) where he killed himself and his passenger. The wreckage was 528 yards off the departure end. It took 14 days to find them and both families celebrated Christmas knowing bodies of their loved ones were laying in the rain and mud somewhere.
His friends didn't want to Rat Him Out. Some friends he had.
Here's the accident report: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20040106X00022&ntsbno=LAX04FA081&akey=1
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
My friends do things that I reckon Incredibly Stupid all the time. I guess I'm missing the chromosome that causes me to think that their mistakes are my business when they don't in any conceivably meaningful way impact me. But I'm glad someone has got it All Figured Out. I'm equally glad it's not MY friends.
My friends do things that I reckon Incredibly Stupid all the time. I guess I'm missing the chromosome that causes me to think that their mistakes are my business when they don't in any conceivably meaningful way impact me. But I'm glad someone has got it All Figured Out. I'm equally glad it's not MY friends.
aloft
New Member
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
He doesn't have the hours to get his commercial. That's why he's doing this.
fholbert
Mod's - Please don't edit my posts!
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
Would you feel the same way if you brother was the passenger who was killed?
Would you feel the same way if you brother was the passenger who was killed?
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
If he is getting paid, you better be extorting him! I say 60% to stay quiet
If he is getting paid, you better be extorting him! I say 60% to stay quiet
fholbert
Mod's - Please don't edit my posts!
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
Ohhh, that works too!
If he is getting paid, you better be extorting him! I say 60% to stay quiet
Ohhh, that works too!
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
See above.
Regardless, all of these hypotheticals are Nancy Grace-grade inane. "What if it were the Baby Jesus in that plane, would you be so cavalier THEN! GOTCHA". Spare me. I'm not the arbiter of all that is Right or Wrong in the world, and neither are you. If you'd narc out a friend for doing something dumb and potentially dangerous, it just means you don't have any friends, by my measure of the word. But by all means, to each their own. Just remind me never to have a few drinks with you.
See above.
Regardless, all of these hypotheticals are Nancy Grace-grade inane. "What if it were the Baby Jesus in that plane, would you be so cavalier THEN! GOTCHA". Spare me. I'm not the arbiter of all that is Right or Wrong in the world, and neither are you. If you'd narc out a friend for doing something dumb and potentially dangerous, it just means you don't have any friends, by my measure of the word. But by all means, to each their own. Just remind me never to have a few drinks with you.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
I am not, nor should I be, the Sky Police.
That being said, we did talk about this on my CFI ride. If I see a safety problem, and it is something I actually am an authority to speak about, I will. But it begins and ends there.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU
Obviously, if I'm in a position to talk to a friend about something they're doing that I have a legitimate, founded reason to think is dumb or dangerous, I'll fall to my knees and beg them not to do it anymore. I think the dude in question is retarded. Not the point, at all. Which, btw, I'm not accusing you of thinking it is.
Obviously, if I'm in a position to talk to a friend about something they're doing that I have a legitimate, founded reason to think is dumb or dangerous, I'll fall to my knees and beg them not to do it anymore. I think the dude in question is retarded. Not the point, at all. Which, btw, I'm not accusing you of thinking it is.