jynxyjoe
Queso King
Yup. 66 years of operation about to come crashing down.
Pinnacle Corp., buys Mesaba
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Yup. 66 years of operation about to come crashing down.
SmitteyB
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't call it your contract. You work under it, but it's not yours. I would reserve the ownership to members who struggled to achieve the work rule that you take credit for.
That is what's happening at Colgan- you ran and left us to do the hard work. Soon you'll benefit again on the backs of another pilot group.
Good luck and because my MEC chair is about to yell at me, I'm done with this thread.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Actually, it is very much his contract. He operates under it every day and hence has to protect it and ensure it gets executed, both by him and the Company who may or may not be so worried about following the letter of the contract. Every pilot on property has to take ownership of the contract, even if they weren't there when it was written. That's something you'll understand once you guys get one.
Snuggle
Well-Known Member
jynxyjoe
Queso King
See I call it mine because I left you guys when you didn't vote the union in the first time and went someplace with a union and a contract. See I couldn't stomach whipsawing a pilot group that I had friends at. Now those friends are anywhere but at Pinnacle but that's what I had to look at in the mirror. When I pay my dues it becomes mine as well. You guys finally voted in a union after mainline jobs dried up as did the associated upgrades. Your brand of Koolaid is disturbingly flavored like managements.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Hey, I'm positive our union group would be more than happy to meet up with the Colgan union group.
SmitteyB
Well-Known Member
I respectfully disagree and think you are way off base.
SmitteyB
Well-Known Member
Yes I don't want to make it sound like my members aren't condusive to discussions and we plan to work hand in hand with your MEC to ensure prosperity at both companies.
I have a fundamental disagreement with Jynx, that's all. I'll be happy to share a beer and hear him out.
Cruise
Well-Known Member
Oooh, kinky! You sexy beast. :laff:
jynxyjoe
Queso King
We've not agreed since the first posts directed at each other, that's when I was already gone and you just got your foot in the door. I don't see any reason to bring beer into the discussion it'll probably just turn worse. Only thing I can guarantee is that I'm pro pilot and pro union.
I was there when my QOL withered at Colgan and watched everyone around me get pushed around until the quit or accepted their fate or chose to fight the company. This is right about the time you were cheer leading for Colgan, times have CERTAINLY changed. The first round with the company showed me what kind of unity I could expect from the rest pilot group (*cough* SAAB *cough*), which was bizarre because everyone on the Beech 1900 side was thicker than thieves. There's about 10 of those guys that I'd still kill for.
The guys I left from Colgan I never would have forgotten. Now I won't have to. Anyway, back to flying MY contract.
Simply the Breast.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
That's what I'm here for! A lovable FO who cracks jokes and lights smokes.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
....and a bankruptcy court.
Smittey, I'm glad you're fighting the good fight at the sister certificate, but I think you're getting a bit up on a high horse here. When you leave Colgan, is the contract you helped get installed gonna be YOURS or is it gonna belong to the Colgan pilots still there? Contracts are living, breathing things, too. In 1999, the 9E guys that negotiated our contract wouldn't have dreamed we'd be flying 76 aircraft owned by a holding company that just bought two other airlines to use against us. Should I go yell at them for their mistake in not protecting me from that or work towards an LOA to modify the contract to fit the current standards? In doing the LOA, would just that LOA belong to me and the rest of the contract to the guys that were responsible for it?
The contract belongs to the pilot group that it represents, not the original committee members that negotiated it and voted it in.
Cruise
Well-Known Member
....and a bankruptcy court.
Smittey, I'm glad you're fighting the good fight at the sister certificate, but I think you're getting a bit up on a high horse here. When you leave Colgan, is the contract you helped get installed gonna be YOURS or is it gonna belong to the Colgan pilots still there? Contracts are living, breathing things, too. In 1999, the 9E guys that negotiated our contract wouldn't have dreamed we'd be flying 76 aircraft owned by a holding company that just bought two other airlines to use against us. Should I go yell at them for their mistake in not protecting me from that or work towards an LOA to modify the contract to fit the current standards? In doing the LOA, would just that LOA belong to me and the rest of the contract to the guys that were responsible for it?
The contract belongs to the pilot group that it represents, not the original committee members that negotiated it and voted it in.
:yeahthat:
Smittey, I appreciate your enthusiasm regarding our efforts. However, I also believe you're slightly misguided in the current direction you're taking w/ Joe. Not sure the rest of the MEC would support your current position either. My $.02
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
What's the difference? An airplane is an airplane. What kind of different infrastructure is needed to run a "large turboprop company?"
honest question.
Gonzo
Well-Known Member
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Well, we've had Avro's (jets) 6 kinds of props, -200's and -900's here it all seems the same.
I think what they are saying is, "we are embarrassed by the Colgan brand and will change it." Just my read on the situation.