Spirit Airlines Strike Update

JOEFRIDAY2 said:
Well I guess they could take most of the cabin seats out and just leave 17 of them in place. :pirate:

Joe
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Would that be more "Spirit Math" at work? :)

"Hey guys, I know what we can do! Let's have the FO do the safety briefing, and then MEL 201 of the seats in the A321s! THen we can operate without FAs! BRILLIANT!"
 
Cruise said:
So will your AFA MEC have words w/ those FA's that returned to work prematurely? If, in fact, that's what happened?
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The flight attendants have a right to take up to 14 days to return to work, correct?

If that's the case, they also very likely have the ability to waive that right and remain with the bounds of their contract.

In the same way that if XJT called me tomorrow and said, "Listen, your letter is in the mail, but we have a class date for you starting in 2 days, if you want to come back to work, we can get you back on the payroll in 2 days, otherwise you're free to exercise your contractual rights of 14 days," they'd certainly be within their rights, and I could, at my leisure, waive my right to however many days I have before going to class.
 
Besides, if they stay out, they don't get paid and there's a one week waiting period to collect unemployment. They would not collect unemployment for the second week either because work was available.

So, it's not in their financial interest to stay out of work.
 
jtrain609 said:
The flight attendants have a right to take up to 14 days to return to work, correct?

If that's the case, they also very likely have the ability to waive that right and remain with the bounds of their contract.
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Depends. If the contract specifically mentions it as a waivable item, then yes. If it doesn't, then waiving the agreement would technically be individual bargaining outside of the RLA process. Only the bargaining agent has the legal right to waive items in the agreement that are not listed as waivable by the employee.
 
lostplanetairman said:
Besides, if they stay out, they don't get paid and there's a one week waiting period to collect unemployment. They would not collect unemployment for the second week either because work was available.

So, it's not in their financial interest to stay out of work.
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YOUR RECALL RIGHTS AND WHAT TO DO


The company CANNOT "rescind" a furlough notice. The notices were sent to all flight attendants. The company MUST follow the recall procedure as outlined in Section 16.C.1.2.3 (and they are not). This is a blatant and direct violation of our contract. We are asking ALL flight attendants to follow the procedures for recall that are in the contract.

The following are some guidelines to follow should you be contacted or are scheduled to work:
If you receive a call and have not received your Recall Notice yet, politely tell whoever is calling you that you have not received your notice and will call, once you receive your notice as required per the contract. Section 16.C.2, page 86.
You are not required to answer or return call from the company until you receive your Recall Notice.
If you have received your Recall Notice you are required to contact the In-flight department within seven (7) days of receiving the notice. Section 16.C.2, page 86.
When you call the In-flight department you may return to work within fifteen (15) days of receiving the Recall Notice. Section 16.C.2, page 86.
You also have the right to return to work at any time within the fifteen (15) day period. It is your choice.
Should you have trips on your schedule and have not received the Recall Notice, don't worry. You have not been notified of a Recall by a written notice sent to your address. You are not obligated to work until you receive the written Recall Notice.
DO NOT ALLOW yourself to be intimated by the company. Again, they are telling you that they are doing this so you will make money. They are doing this so they can get back to making millions off our backs. Don't be fooled!
Should you feel that you are being treated unfairly or may be intimidated, be polite end the call and call your local representative with all the information (date, time and who you spoke with).
You are pay protected for your line in June. We may have to fight for this one because the company thinks differently. Rest assured we are on it!
This is the last one. As always, you have the right to go back to work as you choose.

The company has failed again, to follow the contract to the letter and this will not be tolerated. We need your support by following the contract as outlined above. All of us MUST follow the contract.

This will send a loud & clear message: We will not be cajoled into coming back to work and violate our contract for the sake of money!

Stick together. Help one another. Support each other and we will prevail!

In Solidarity,
Master Executive Council
AFA-CWA, Spirit Airlines, Inc.
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Okay, so you say it's in their financial interest to return to work now. However, I don't believe that's what the 'recall rights' state. In fact, it would seem the FA's are pay protect through the end of the month. So, that should mean no flights launch until July, at the earliest. But, perhaps I'm interpreting the above incorrectly. :dunno:

Your management thought it would be great to furlough the FA's and use them as pawns in their little game. If I was a Spirit FA, I would be mad as hell; and I'd also want to make your management squirm. The FA's are people and have families too....unfortunately, it would certainly seem Spirit does not view them as such. What your management team did, by furloughing the FA's, was a complete slap in the face. Management tried to weasel their way out of paying the FA's during the strike. Now it's over, the FA's should just return to work so they can get paid??? I call BS and I would absolutely follow my contract ensuring management thinks twice about using me as a 'tool' to get what they want in the future. Furloughing the FA's was a scumbag move.....your management team should absolutely pay for their greed!!!
 
I don't know. They are flying. And I'm flying tomorrow. Whatever. I don't know what your agenda is and I can't worry. It's up to them to decide whether or not to return to work. Perhaps they don't want to just be pay protected; rather they want the overtime they normally get and rely upon now. They won't earn overtime by staying home till July. I've had enough to worry about over the past year. Peace out.
 
Cruise,

Not to be a stickler, but this was after your bolded sentence:

This is the last one. As always, you have the right to go back to work as you choose.
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Looks like the union endorsed that....which I don't understand, mainly because it contradicts the prior paragraphs.

Look forward to seeing you in Vegas, though....
 
Hey guys.......I'm not trying to say they can't return. And per the sentence Polar singled out, it would seem the union endorses returning.

My point is, if I was an FA, I would not be eager to just run back to work after being treated as a pawn in Spirit management's larger game. Look, if the union supports the immediate return to work....GREAT, have at it. Go about your life as though you're a valuable employee. Sadly, IMO, Spirit management showed they do not believe this is true and they should be made to suffer a little for it.

I am happy you guys are back at it and I hope your TA is everything you deserve! I walked the line with your guys and gals in DTW yesterday and was more than happy to support your struggle. I have no dog in the new fight....so, whatever. Blue skies!!


Yeah Polar.....really looking forward to hanging w/ you in Vegas as well. First few :beer: on me!!!
 
I would think that a few bucks added to each F/A's paychecks next month might solve this problem. Hopefully the union leadership is on this.

I guess the F/A's could ground the airline for the next 15 days, but what good would that do?

Joe
 
Cruise,

Thank you for walking the line at DTW. But, you are not an FA. They were not pawns. Please stop inserting what you would do if you were them. You are not. You don't have their bills to pay. Pay protection is not enough for most of them. They need to fly the overtime. Why would they stay out and ground the airline for another two weeks just because they can? Why? Why?

I'm tired and I'm done with this stupid discussion. Let them decide. It's their right. So far, they are flying. And I am too. Good night.
 
JOEFRIDAY2 said:
I would think that a few bucks added to each F/A's paychecks next month might solve this problem. Hopefully the union leadership is on this.

I guess the F/A's could ground the airline for the next 15 days, but what good would that do?

Joe
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What's the saying? "Fly the contract". IMHO, if the F/As CBA requires a formal recall notice and 2 weeks, and can theoritically ground the airline til then, then I would think it should be up to them what they want to do or not do. The pilot portion seems taken care of.
 
lostplanetairman said:
Cruise,

Were you on the line with us and the FA's? If you were you would know they supported this totally. They were not pawns. I'm tired and I'm done with this stupid discussion. Let them decide. It's their right. So far, they are flying. And I am too.l Good night.
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Perhaps you're not reading what I'm saying.....or it's just not coming out right. That happens on the internets....

Yes, I was there with you and the FA's. Yes, they were very much in support of your fight....as was I and just about every pilot in the country. Kudos to you and your pilot group's resolve in this fight. The FA's I met were wonderful. They deserve to be treated w/ respect. For your management to simply furlough them, without regard to the consequences, was just another greedy move in a line of bad decisions.

My point is this.....it seems to me, your management does not think highly of your FA's. If they did, they would not have been tossed to the curb in such rapid fashion. Instead, they were used as pawns in your struggle; it would appear your inept management believed they could divide your group by creating undue hardship w/in the FA ranks. Obviously, it never came to that....because the FA's could see through the game. But, if I were them, I'd be very bitter against your management and would be very reluctant to simply return to work like nothing happened. Hey whatever, it's not me.....so, happy flying! If they need to return to make overages, and their union endorses it......wonderful. Go for it and make your money.

Not sure why you're making out what I'm saying to be more than that. I previously stated I was happy your group got a TA and more power to the FA's returning. I wouldn't be so eager if I were them.....but, I'm not them....so, Blue Skies on your upcoming flights congrats again on the TA, I hope it is what you deserve! If we ever meet in person, I'd be more than happy to chat w/ you and thank you for you and your group's efforts. Beer's on me. :beer:
 
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