Illegal substance use in the back

It's the same with rich pax asking what they can bring aboard / store in the cargo...

Do you think they're told to turn off their cell phones while the aircraft door is closed? Of course not!

If the owner wants to bring a ton of fire-works or firearms.... whatever you DON'T tell me can go, if you tell ME, it might not be able to go...:dunno:

See no evil, hear no evil - very good description.
 
trafficinsight said:
Not to call you out or anything but "it happens all the time, welcome to the real world" is probably one of, if not the, the worst things we hear on a regular basis in aviation. If people couldn't get away with this kind of crap then they wouldn't do it. Plain and simple. I really don't care how much a rich person whines and cries that kind of stuff doesn't belong on my airplane.

I'm glad you'd support the pilot in that decision.
Click to expand...

I don't mind being called out. Unfortunately in Part 91 corporate flying there IS the real world. Keep it safe IS what I am saying but you gotta do it in a smart way...if you want to keep your job of course. All clients are different and the approach you have with them has to be fine tailored individually. I am glad that on your aircraft you are able to do things the way that you want. I wish you the very best of luck in keeping things that way for the rest of your flying career.
 
cencal83406 said:
It's the same with rich pax asking what they can bring aboard / store in the cargo...

Do you think they're told to turn off their cell phones while the aircraft door is closed? Of course not!

If the owner wants to bring a ton of fire-works or firearms.... whatever you DON'T tell me can go, if you tell ME, it might not be able to go...:dunno:

See no evil, hear no evil - very good description.
Click to expand...

I at least tell them to turn their phones off. Whether they do it or not, I really don't care but I do include it in my brief, brief.
 
So long as I have some sort of plausible deniability I'm not going to risk my job to be someones moral police. I'm sure one of the reasons certain rich people charter or even own private aircraft is so they can mostly whatever they like in the back. I bet fsiflyers experience does not just apply to Russia but everywhere.
 
fsiflyer said:
I don't mind being called out. Unfortunately in Part 91 corporate flying there IS the real world. Keep it safe IS what I am saying but you gotta do it in a smart way...if you want to keep your job of course. All clients are different and the approach you have with them has to be fine tailored individually. I am glad that on your aircraft you are able to do things the way that you want. I wish you the very best of luck in keeping things that way for the rest of your flying career.
Click to expand...

+1 Not gonna say much, but I can't disagree with fsiflyer - I just don't talk about it much.
 
Oh does this sound familiar...........

It's tough. It's really tough when it's the owner of the plane in the back when you smell the funny stuff.

I would just put on my mask if I want to continue flying charters.

Joe
 
you need to delineate a moral dilemma with an operational one. call the cops? really? for some weed? I understand the ideas and stresses about drugs in our lives as pilots, i am familiar with having illegal things happening in the back, but you cant be a _____ just because you dont agree with their lifestyle. if its not a safety issue and your not planning on seeing the feds already, then dont. just my opinion.
 
As someone said earlier, if it's a charter, I politely remind them of the regulations, and request they stop. Because it's not their plane and I might wind up dancing for the owner. 99% likely that's as far as it goes.

If it's the owner in the back, I shut up and look straight ahead until I feel my butt getting warm. It's THEIR airplane, for crying out loud.
 
fsiflyer said:
In the real world, unless you wish to not be employed any longer...you do nothing. If it's a bother to you then just put on a mask. If it's against your morals find another job. Sounds harsh but that is just the way it is. Just the way of the corporate flight department world. See no evil, hear no evil, do no evil!
Click to expand...
I second this
 
OldTownPilot said:
You realize people smoked on part 121 flights well into the 80's?
Click to expand...
Yes, but every time I ride in back I am reminded that smoking is not allowed (finger wag) on any (carrier name) flight.

The same group of federal regulations (14 CFR) prohibiting tampering with, disabling or destroying a lavatory smoke detector also prohibit the carriage of marijuana, narcotics, and so on. Carriers who carry those substances can lose their operating certificates.
 
If anything, tell them to stop smoking. Aside from that; nothing. Do nothing. The worst you'll have are some happy, hungry, sleepy passengers. That's far less problematic in my mind than having drunk passengers on board.
 
Well here's another question about this....let's say you don't say anything because its the owners plane. You land and Mr. FAA just happens to be on the ramp checking currencies....

How much trouble are you in? I'm sure you might be able to lawyer up (yes costs lots of time and money) and prove you had no knowledge what the owner had when he stepped on the plane, but then again you are responsible for making sure nobody smokes on the airplane.
 
spoolinup22 said:
Well here's another question about this....let's say you don't say anything because its the owners plane. You land and Mr. FAA just happens to be on the ramp checking currencies....

How much trouble are you in? I'm sure you might be able to lawyer up (yes costs lots of time and money) and prove you had no knowledge what the owner had when he stepped on the plane, but then again you are responsible for making sure nobody smokes on the airplane.
Click to expand...

I really think the FAA is going to be more worried about busting your passengers than looking to bust you. They can't prove you knew, and you can't prove you didnt know, I doubt they would take any action unless you were a complete arse to the inspector and give him a reason to hate you
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top