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JumpWake said:
There were never ANY TSA pilots fired for denying jumpseats. Yes, they were called on it, but never fired. There were confrontations between TS and GJ crews in the beginning (hotel vans, blocked radios, etc)...nothing as of recent but at the onset, yes.
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Probably, but an IOE Captain was telling me a while back that they fired a few people and a few other guys mentioned it too. but the point of it all is that there hasn't been anything recent. It's not worth your time especially when management is trigger happy about firing you for the smallest thing.
 
jynxyjoe said:
You should hear the stories out here at Mesaba during the bankruptcy, company threatened a 19% paycut or something extraordinary. All that "juvenile" kicking and screaming by a bunch of pilots won out, and told the company they'd send them the bill for the rent-a-wreck to go back home. They were more than willing to leave the pax and shut the place down. The company caved.
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That sounds like a nice story but your management obviously doesn't hold a candle to TSH management. TSH management would have paid your rent-a-wreck bill and wished you good luck. That's why the current Trans States negotiations and maybe even the strike could prove to be very eventful. Hopefully not.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
That was considered the measured approach. It was either that or fit hardpoints onto CRJs for air-to-air missiles.
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Haha. :)

Still, I think doing things like that now bring professionalism into question and delve into the juvenile, as well as become a potential safety hazard.

Take it out of the proverbial classroom and into the playground outside the cockpit.
 
"The TRUTH?!?! You can't handle the truth!! Yes they deserved to die and I hope they burn in hell!!"

Wait, am I mixing up movies there?? :p
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I might give you the blocked radios (maybe), but it would be a cold day in hell before I would have shared a hotel van with a GoJet a-lister.
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Pretty juvenile behavior for a pilot who preaches, and wants to be seen and treated as, a professional.

But par for the course for someone who bought a job at Gulfstream.
 
aloft said:
Pretty juvenile behavior for a pilot who preaches, and wants to be seen and treated as, a professional.

But par for the course for someone who bought a job at Gulfstream.
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Who else do you know that paid for a job at Gulfstream has that same behavior?
Or was that just to get a pot shot in?
 
aloft said:
Pretty juvenile behavior for a pilot who preaches, and wants to be seen and treated as, a professional.

But par for the course for someone who bought a job at Gulfstream.
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There are people that are out tens of thousands of dollars because of GoJets, due to being furloughed or having what would have been their captain slot moved to an alter-ego captain. Why would anyone want to share a van with someone who practically stole their money?! Not me.
 
MikeD said:
So you support interrupting ATC transmissions and blocking frequencies?
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Not too sure if I really indicated what method I felt was appropriate.

Actually, it doesn't look like I did at all.

I think you can figure out what I was trying to say.
 
surreal1221 said:
Not too sure if I really indicated what method I felt was appropriate.

Actually, it doesn't look like I did at all.

I think you can figure out what I was trying to say.

Who are you to police people in an industry you don't work in?
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I asked a simple question. One you don't want to answer, and as usual you're tapdancing.

I'm not policing anything. But if you want to be seen as a professional, then some of the examples given, and some of the examples I've personally seen of how pilots treat some of these issues, present everything but a professional image.

It's really that simple. Not too tough to grasp.
 
Right, not tough to grasp.

And yet you're not talking about a broad example of professionalism - which I would state most professional pilots can meet.

You're challenging methods for keeping people in check. You may not like those methods, I may not as well, but the fact remains that some of these methods work and satisfy the goal of getting a point across.

You may not find them appropriate, but I'm not going to come down on the TSA pilot trying to defend his livelyhood.

That said, it's not a question I don't want to answer, just trying to open your eyes up to the larger landscape.

We have to police ourselves.

Personally, I do not support blocking transmissions. But that wasn't the only tool that was discussed.
 
surreal1221 said:
Right, not tough to grasp.

And yet you're not talking about a broad example of professionalism - which I would state most professional pilots can meet.

You're challenging methods for keeping people in check. You may not like those methods, I may not as well, but the fact remains that some of these methods work and satisfy the goal of getting a point across.

You may not find them appropriate, but I'm not going to come down on the TSA pilot trying to defend his livelyhood.
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Neither am I going to come down on someone defending his livelyhood. He should be able to.

I will, however, come down on particular methods of how that defense is mounted. While some methods may work, others that are undertaken don't. And the minute some clown starts blocking ATC or other aircraft comms, and creates a safety hazard for either myself or any other aircraft in the air or on the ground just because he's got some beef with another airline or that airline's pilots, that's where I draw the line. Thats where it becomes unprofessional and wrong. I don't care who you are or what your issue is.

And that's all I'm saying.
 
surreal1221 said:
That said, it's not a question I don't want to answer, just trying to open your eyes up to the larger landscape.

We have to police ourselves.

Personally, I do not support blocking transmissions. But that wasn't the only tool that was discussed.
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Fair enough on the transmissions thing. I appreciate your response.

I agree, the rank and file do have to police themselves, just as they should in any industry, and especially one with so much at stake as 121 has.

Trust me, my eyes are open to the larger landspace. I may not be 121, but I've been around, and it's not as if I don't know anything that goes on with them in any detail or some of the many challenges and issues particular to that side of the industry. And I personally believe I'm pretty supportive of their needs, as much as someone not intimately involved in that sector of aviation can be.
 
aloft said:
Pretty juvenile behavior for a pilot who preaches, and wants to be seen and treated as, a professional.

But par for the course for someone who bought a job at Gulfstream.
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Not even remotely the same thing.

Also, we've covered your snide-dig topic ad nauseam....Todd has long since paid his reparations for his time at Gulfstream. Let it go. :rolleyes:
 
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