Severe clear ice. Thank you Kansas city

USMCmech said:
I'm a pilot at the same company and I can confirm everything in his story. He is fortunate to be alive, and should not have to justify his actions to anyone.

BTW your statements about icing may be accurate in the north, but down here it can be different. What he likely encountered was freezing rain on a airframe that was already below freezing, which can put a LOT of ice on in minutes. None of this was forecast by anyone, nor had any other airplane in the area reported anything.


This is simply another example that despite taking every precaution and doing everything correctly, this is still a dangerous business.
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I believe you. I also agree with your statement about the icing in the northern part of the country as opposed to icing in different regions. As a reserve pilot I cover runs in a variety of places and I have encountered freezing rain and fortunately when I encountered the worst of it I was not in a van.
It does sound like he did take every precaution when it came to the preflight planning. Like you said this is a very dangerous business and he probably is get through it like he did.
I was wrong and did not mean to come off like a jerk I was just doubted the accuracy of the story.
I would still love to see the pics.

Boris Badenov said:
On the internet? Yes. If I were him, I wouldn't be posting pictures anywhere of anything. Whether or not some random internet under-bridge-dweller believes what I say on here is of little interest to me, likewise whether they believe someone else. Now put that thing back in your pants.
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Zipper is up and I will ask in a more polite manner to verify somthing that is posted.


SpiraMirabilis said:
Are you mrflier's new account?
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Who is mrflier and what did he do?
 
First and foremost, congratulations on surviving your flight. Thanks for sharing your recount of the events. Concise and gripping at the same time. I appreciate what you went through.

From a learning standpoint, is there anything that you could have done differently (short of being clairvoyant) to avoid the situation?

For Mogley68, IMO, the answer to "So asking someone to prove somthing that they say they can is being a jerk? " is, Yes!. This is not a tribunal. I've had situations where I've been close to needing a change of underwear that was real for me at the time. If I shared the experience with someone and they wanted to call BS I wouldn't call that supportive. I'd think that they were behaving like a ... (searching for the right word ... ah yes) ... jerk.
 
Good job getting it down.

I can't help but think there's a 200 hour guy out there going "Man, I wish it was me so I could check the "icing" column in the new regs."
 
ppragman said:
So, uhhhhhh, you weren't there, and you don't know. You can be an ass, or you can take the guy at face value. Your choice. I'll believe him. Metars don't mean a damn thing and you know it. I've been on the approach to an airport with 10SM CLR, and not broken out at all and gone missed. As for "this kind of ice is usually only a few hundred feet thick," again, you weren't there and you don't know. Stop second guessing the guy and give him a pat on the back, he's alive. Even if it was the most ice he'd ever seen, and even if it wasn't 4", it still scared him enough to write about it. Don't be a tool.
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:yeahthat::yeahthat: BTW good job on getting down safe.
 
ppragman said:
So, uhhhhhh, you weren't there, and you don't know. You can be an ass, or you can take the guy at face value. Your choice. I'll believe him. Metars don't mean a damn thing and you know it. I've been on the approach to an airport with 10SM CLR, and not broken out at all and gone missed. As for "this kind of ice is usually only a few hundred feet thick," again, you weren't there and you don't know. Stop second guessing the guy and give him a pat on the back, he's alive. Even if it was the most ice he'd ever seen, and even if it wasn't 4", it still scared him enough to write about it. Don't be a tool.
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Automated metars are a joke sometimes in comparison to observed weather. I have seen airports five miles apart reporting 1SM OVC008 and 10SM CLR at the same time. It is like saying a CTAF provides the same service as a tower.

To the OP: Congrats on making it. Sure as hell beats the alternative.
 
ppragman said:
So, uhhhhhh, you weren't there, and you don't know. You can be an ass, or you can take the guy at face value. Your choice. I'll believe him. Metars don't mean a damn thing and you know it. I've been on the approach to an airport with 10SM CLR, and not broken out at all and gone missed. As for "this kind of ice is usually only a few hundred feet thick," again, you weren't there and you don't know. Stop second guessing the guy and give him a pat on the back, he's alive. Even if it was the most ice he'd ever seen, and even if it wasn't 4", it still scared him enough to write about it. Don't be a tool.
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:yeahthat:

metars dont mean a thing, and unfortunately, even freezing layers and icing prob charts cant be trusted. I've told my story about getting freezing rain in my 210, at 4000, and the freezing level was forecasted at 8000.

Sadly icing is one of those things you just cant know for sure untill you get in it, but its not something you really wanna "stick your nose in" to test the waters. When you fly for a living though, sometimes its just not an option.


Either way, Miller time is in order.
 
Just curious, was it a B model or a short bus? Little or big engine?

How does the van perform with those paddle props the martinaire has?
 
I don't want to fly with that lady.:eek: Not saying it is really all her fault but she told us he altitude about 30 times, like my grandma would tell me to stop hitting my sister.
 
CDNPilotDave said:
First and foremost, congratulations on surviving your flight. Thanks for sharing your recount of the events. Concise and gripping at the same time. I appreciate what you went through.

From a learning standpoint, is there anything that you could have done differently (short of being clairvoyant) to avoid the situation?
I have been following this post and have wondered the same thing as well. What are the things we can take away from this situation to better prepare and avoid these types of extreme occurences? Being the low-time, little ice experience pilot I am, I like to know what I can learn from others experiences.
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Hey guys, just a quick reply.

Mogley- no exagggeration on the events that unfolded. I do have pics but I also went right back work. My route is a 15 hour duty day 5 days a week. I will post them when I get a chance. I thought I'd have time and then I did not. I will hopefully get them up today.

For all others I'll get your questions answered as soon as possible.
 
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