New "controller" at KJFK Tower...

[JordanD]

I was thinking that someone was having a bad case of the Monday's!


And yes, you can get your ass kicked for saying that!

"Naw man... .Hell naw."

 

[Tld]

That second grader had better radio phraseology than about 67% of all regional pilots, about about 42% of all mainline pilots. I'm less worried about him, and more worried about pilots trying to be "cool" or "cute" on the radio when they're an adult.

That.

Loved the clip, very cute, good for a smile.

 

[nyalex]

Funny...but if I comment "nice sunset" to the other pilot and something goes wrong the media and Fed's would nail me to the wall for breaking sterile cockpit and being unprofessional. But they can run a daycare center in the JFK tower and have a 7 year-old issue clearances???

What happens if there is a runway incursion? What happens when a foreign pilot who already BARELY speaks English misunderstands the speaking of a 2nd grader telling him what to do with his 400 ton $250 million aircraft? What about that pilot in Russia who let his son into the cockpit and they ended up crashing with a child in the pilots seat. How is this different?

A mistake on either end of the radio can lead to tragedy...why would we or should we voluntarily lower the safety margin? Because it's cute??? You gotta be kidding me. As pilots & controllers we spend our careers trying to mitigate risk. While not intentional or malicious why voluntarily introduce it? I'm not sure if you noticed, but the aviation system hasn't been getting a whole lot of positive press these days. This is not what we need right now....

He was giving takeoff clearances to people that had already been talking to tower and monitoring the frequency. They were clearly all American and enjoying the change of pace. It would have been different if the kid had been responding to the first contact of the tower from inbound aircraft. I can see the safety argument, but a little fun isn't necessarily
a bad thing.

 

[ATC RET 2003]

I can't disagree with anything cime_sp said.

I also can't say that I wouldn't do things like what the Kennedy controller did because I did them. I did them willfully and with the full understanding that it would be damned hard to explain if something went wrong. Nothing ever did go wrong. I was lucky in that respect. I was also lucky to be able to see a kid get a genuine thrill out of doing something as simple as talking to an airplane.

Not saying it's OK... just saying that I did it.

It also wasn't OK for the Eastern guy to precede every transmission with a blast on a Boxcar Willie train whistle or the Piedmont guy that had the sound of sleigh bells in the background all December. But they did it and I enjoyed it.

Those things are part of the reason the job didn't drive me nuts.

 

[cime_sp]

He was giving takeoff clearances to people that had already been talking to tower and monitoring the frequency. They were clearly all American and enjoying the change of pace. It would have been different if the kid had been responding to the first contact of the tower from inbound aircraft. I can see the safety argument, but a little fun isn't necessarily
a bad thing.

You're right....those AeroMexico guys were clearly all American.

 

[MFT1Air]

This is awesome. It really made me happy to hear this.

It is sad that if the media found out about this it would probably be on national television within 10 minutes and they would cry for the controller to be fired.

I don't know. . .if they did in fact hear it, I'm sure there would be calls coming in to have the kid replace his father!

Less pay; same results!

 

[drunkenbeagle]

Those things are part of the reason the job didn't drive me nuts.

You know, we could all live in padded rooms, wearing knee pads and bicycle helmets, never going outside during sunlight to avoid skin cancer...

Life is dangerous. We are all going to die from it.

And hey, when I was a little tyke, I got to sit in the cockpit, in flight. And press some buttons! Those days are certainly over. I kind of miss the good ole' days.

 

[BCTAv8r]

And hey, when I was a little tyke, I got to sit in the cockpit, in flight. And press some buttons! Those days are certainly over. I kind of miss the good ole' days.

My dad and I visited the cockpit of a MD-11 mid-flight when I was about 5 (1994). I miss those days as well.

 

[twotwowoo]

I can't disagree with anything cime_sp said.

I also can't say that I wouldn't do things like what the Kennedy controller did because I did them. I did them willfully and with the full understanding that it would be damned hard to explain if something went wrong. Nothing ever did go wrong. I was lucky in that respect. I was also lucky to be able to see a kid get a genuine thrill out of doing something as simple as talking to an airplane.

Not saying it's OK... just saying that I did it.

It also wasn't OK for the Eastern guy to precede every transmission with a blast on a Boxcar Willie train whistle or the Piedmont guy that had the sound of sleigh bells in the background all December. But they did it and I enjoyed it.

Those things are part of the reason the job didn't drive me nuts.

:clap::beer:

 

[derg]

"Naw man... .Hell naw."

I had a bad two months when I kept saying "Aaaaaaaand Gander Center, Southernjets 126 flight level 2 1 0..."

Grrrrr! I have no idea where in the hell that habit came from but nipped it in the bud.

 

[twotwowoo]

What exactly is wrong with saying "with you?" I know it's "nonstandard," but is it really worse than saying 2.5 when you mean 2500. It's not really unsafe.

 

[Malko]

What exactly is wrong with saying "with you?" I know it's "nonstandard," but is it really worse than saying 2.5 when you mean 2500. It's not really unsafe.

If you are talking to < insert location > center, it is very obvious that you are 'with them'....

ex: Minneapolis Center, Cessna 5096C with you, heading 180 climbing 1.8 for 3....... (you could take out the with you and it is the same statement and frees up the freq for others.) One person saying it....Not so much a big deal. Compound that number and it could congest the freq.

just sucking up space and time on the freq...

 

[derg]

I actually kind of miss hearing "EwessssssAaaaaaaaaaaaair's" on the radio.

 

[Cav]

I had a bad two months when I kept saying "Aaaaaaaand Gander Center, Southernjets 126 flight level 2 1 0..."

Grrrrr! I have no idea where in the hell that habit came from but nipped it in the bud.

You were one of them!!!! Ewww.

 

[beechpilot]

That was cool! Thanks for sharing

 

[derg]

You were one of them!!!! Ewww.

For a very short period of time. VERY SHORT man! It was absolutely unintentional.

I think it started one day when we were looking for a smooth ride. An aircraft we were in trail of climbed, found smooth air and it started with "...and Southernjets 123 is requesting FL XXX as well".

Then it started. But I nipped it in the bud quickly.

 

[MikeD]

I had a bad two months when I kept saying "Aaaaaaaand Gander Center, Southernjets 126 flight level 2 1 0..."

Grrrrr! I have no idea where in the hell that habit came from but nipped it in the bud.

You don't need to worry. Where we'll be working in the -123, the english on the other end will be broken anyway, and thats during the few times we'll be actually using the radio.

 

[derg]

I'm a master of the HF so when we're coasting in, I can take care of the comm.

 

[Cav]

For a very short period of time. VERY SHORT man! It was absolutely unintentional.

I think it started one day when we were looking for a smooth ride. An aircraft we were in trail of climbed, found smooth air and it started with "...and Southernjets 123 is requesting FL XXX as well".

Then it started. But I nipped it in the bud quickly.

Welcome back. Now all we need is for someone to find a recording of it on liveatc and post it for our "listening pleasure."

 

[Mark815]

It's one thing to mess around on the radio in a congested area. When I was over BWI or CLE or ATL, radio calls are short and to the point. When I'm on with approach\center and there's only 4 other planes on the freq, half the time it's the controller that starts a convo with me. Just today Charlotte was super slow and one of the controllers was talking to a pilot who mistakenly transmitted thinkin he was on a CTAF. He said something like 'ahhhhhh NXYZ you're still on with me, this isn't CTAF ahhhh lets seeeeeeeeeeeee here lemme get you a freq to use ahhhhhhhhhhhh yep yep yep here we go, try out this freq 1xx.xx CYA'

You could tell by the sound of his voice he was just bored. I don't see anything wrong with it if it's not in the middle of a crazy area.