Airtran Classes?
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kellwolf
Piece of Trash
How are those going? I've been trying to find the current contract just to see what's what. Some guys at 9E are saying reserve is as bad at Tranny as it is here. Of course, NONE of those guys are currently on reserve here.
I DID come across a PDF that Murphy did ripping apart the TA you guys had. Man, if what he's saying is accurate, you guys REALLY needed to oust not just the NC that signed off on that but the whole union. Oh wait.....Oh, and I had a ready reserve sit today. At least I found something USEFUL to do with my time on the laptop in the crew room.
"Hey, Steve. Whatcha doin'?"
"Trying to get the F outta here."
PeanuckleCRJ
Poodle Wrangler
For reference for friends:
Min days off?
CDO's?
Reserve callout options and times? (I know long call is in the contract but unused...)
Min days off?
CDO's?
Reserve callout options and times? (I know long call is in the contract but unused...)
JoelT
Well-Known Member
QOL while on reserve at AirTran was not that great. I flew almost everyday. Most of the time it was just an out and back. Also, the six hour ready reserve just plain sucked.
However, the way a reserve pilot is paid was great. Fly sixty hours and get paid for ninety. I wish we had that at Delta (but only that. I like long call.)
However, the way a reserve pilot is paid was great. Fly sixty hours and get paid for ninety. I wish we had that at Delta (but only that. I like long call.)
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Still slow. Two weeks of negotiations in a row this month, and very little accomplished. However, I expect the NMB to bring everything to a head in a few months.
Reserve sucks here, but it certainly isn't that bad.
Regular lines, build-up lines, and CDO lines: 12 days min
Reserve lines: 10/11 days for 30/31 day months
All built on pure CDO lines. About 14 CDO lines in the 717, and half that in the 737. Average of 13-14 days off. Max of 3 CDOs in a row, and must have at least 3 days off following any group of CDOs. For the most part, the people flying CDOs are the guys like me that want to fly them. They don't go junior like they did at Pinnacle.
Three reserve period options:
RSV - 4am to 6pm
RS1 - 10am to midnight
RS2 - 6pm to 8am (basically CDO/red-eye reserve)
RRR - Ready reserve
Callout is 2 hours, and you're correct that there is a long-call option that has never been used.
Ready reserve is 6 hours max at the airport, and you usually don't get called out to actually fly. There is typically one crew for each airplane sitting ready reserve at a given time.
If you don't want to fly, RS2 is the best thing to bid, because it's typically only CDOs assigned, and you'll probably only get a few a month.
An average month for a reserve pilot on RSV or RS1 would be about 50 hours block and 90 hours credit.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
6 hours with a 4 hour min day pay credit, though. Sign me up. It's better than the 9 hours with zero pay or per diem I get now.
I try to stay positive. It's the only thing that keeps me from flipping out on people now.
What are the biggest complaints and good points about being a junior FO at AirTran who lives in base?
How long does it take to get health insurance after being hired? Is newhire training of good quality?
Also... does anyone know the actual details on hiring? ie: Is it definitely going to happen? If so, when and how many pilots? What are they looking for / is "competitive" to get a call?
Thanks everybody!
How long does it take to get health insurance after being hired? Is newhire training of good quality?
Also... does anyone know the actual details on hiring? ie: Is it definitely going to happen? If so, when and how many pilots? What are they looking for / is "competitive" to get a call?
Thanks everybody!
JoelT
Well-Known Member
Not to be TIC but, AirTran does not have a long enough history for that.
Any better under Valujet?
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
From what I've personally seen, and in discussions with not only ATN_Pilot, but three other ATN Captains, they do not follow the regional philosophy of hiring temporary help.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
30 days according to the website. Looks like hiring is gonna happen. Like Todd said, I'd expect competition to be pretty thick. There are a lot of furloughed major guys out there along with guys that have been stuck as regional CAs for at least a couple of years. Also, I believe AirTran is giving preferential hiring to furloughed Midwest guys. Makes sense since they all have experience in type. Regardless, my stuff is in. The worst thing that could happen is I don't get a call, which puts me in no worse of a situation than I am now. As for how many and class dates, who knows? I think I did see some poolies were getting called for a Feb 15th date. They may be interviewing to refill the pool or there may be more class dates planned.
JoelT
Well-Known Member
I was including Critter in that statement as well. AirTran (Valuejet) has only been around for almost twenty years. In that time frame there have been two furloughs. By comparison, in the same twenty years Delta has had two furloughs (their only furloughs since 1927), CAL has had two and, United has had three. So, not really a good history to make a determination.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
It's not too bad if you live in base, but it isn't exactly pleasant, either. If you like to fly, then you'll fly just about every day of reserve and you'll make tons of money. I've had as much as 110-115 hours credit while flying reserve, and 85-90 would be a slow month. But, if you want to fly very little, you can bid for night reserve (RS2) and not fly very much except for the occasional stand-up. The bad part is that you'll probably only end the month with min guarantee (70 hours).
As Kell said, insurance starts after 30 days. Newhire training depends on the airplane. If you get the 717, expect to hear a lot about "this is how we did it on the -9." It's much more of an old school Eastern Air Lines style training program. But, if you get the 737, it's much more laid back. In either case, the quality of the training is relatively good, but the difficulty is greater on the 717.
Yes, it's definitely happening. Roughly 55 pilots are in the pool and are already getting assigned class dates for next month. After that, expect a few dozen actual newhires. No word on when the interviews will start, but probably in a couple of months.
Competitive mins are just a best guess at this point, but I would guess something in this range would be likely:
7000+ TT
2000+ Part 121 PIC
4-year degree
2+ internal recommendations
No, that's pretty unlikely. New airplane deliveries start at the beginning of 2011, so we'll need to hire almost 100 pilots next year just for that. Block hours are increasing on current airframes this year back to the level they were at prior to the oil spike in 2008. Record profits are about to be reported for 2009. Things are all indicating up, so the chance of furlough is minimal. On the other hand, you're looking at a 7+ year upgrade time.
ERfly
Well-Known Member
I noticed that, too. Any idea what it means? I got my app in before the window closed.
SurferLucas
Southern Gentleman
Same here, I got mine in this afternoon.
I noticed that it said the opening closed on the 19th, so I'm guessing they hit a certain number of apps and the system was set to stop the process when it hit that certain number?
I noticed that it said the opening closed on the 19th, so I'm guessing they hit a certain number of apps and the system was set to stop the process when it hit that certain number?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Well, bad news, guys. Got word from the company that the application window was opened by mistake. They just wanted to let the poolies get in to update their information, but the job posting was put up and the application opened instead. They received about 500 applications in the short time it was opened, but no idea whether they'll honor those applications or not. I doubt it. The application window will open later, though. Keep an eye out for it, and I'll try to let you know ASAP.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Eh, bummer. Surprised it was ONLY 500, though.