I hate to say it,,,,but I became "that guy"

MikeD said:
There's NEED to know, and there's NICE to know; when it comes to aviation knowledge.
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Yes and watch the debate that can ensue when people discuss what knowledge goes in which category.

Example:

Prop lever full forward, low pitch/high rpm. NEED to know

On speed, Over speed, Under speed referring to the governor. NICE to know.
 
poser765 said:
Yes and watch the debate that can ensue when people discuss what knowledge goes in which category.

Example:

Prop lever full forward, low pitch/high rpm. NEED to know

On speed, Over speed, Under speed referring to the governor. NICE to know.
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Its all due to shock cooling, something you'd learn at an Academy and not at a lowly FBO. Better opportunities for PFJ too.......



:D
 
MikeD said:
Its all due to shock cooling, something you'd learn at an Academy and not at a lowly FBO. Better opportunities for PFJ too.......



:D
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lol shock cooling.

The sad thing is I know how the prop works, and I teach the NICE to know stuff because that's what the boss wants. But I have still yet to see someone give me a solid answer on how knowing what the relationship is between the flyweights and the pilot valve is can possibly make me a safer pilot? Or even "save the day" in an emergency.
 
I got deep into a discussion about what would happen if the speeder spring inside the governor broke.

I called 3 prop shops and couldn't come up with a consensus.

Turns out, that it is a don't need to know subject. :insane:
 
Codyjp said:
I got deep into a discussion about what would happen if the speeder spring inside the governor broke.

I called 3 prop shops and couldn't come up with a consensus.

Turns out, that it is a don't need to know subject. :insane:
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Like impulse couplers. They either work, or they don't.

Same thing with the old Maverick missile example I gave a few months ago. I don't care how to build it, I need to know how to use it.
 
Thanks for the input guys, being in transition between flight schools, I think the next one I work for will be a good chance for me to realize why I started instructing in the first place.... I love teaching others how to fly. And even if in a couple months If I start time building again, I think I can learn something from past experiences and find opportunities to make every flight educational even if the sole purpose is to fill a logbook for the student.
 
There is a big difference between teaching someone how to pass a checkride and teaching them how to "fly".

Some of the best studied pilots I have ever run into were the least enjoyable to fly with because practical matters eluded them. Sure, they could tell you exactly what every single FAR said and implied but ask them to land in a crosswind using differential thrust and they would lose their mind.

Maybe you're burnt out, maybe you're learning the nuts and bolts of instruction. Only you really know. Take a few days off and see if you can figure that out for yourself. If you're not in it to make your students the best pilots they can be then please, go fly traffic watch or tow rags. Nothing wrong with that as instructing isn't for everyone.
 
I never really felt burnt out till I reached the point of time building with my students. I really enjoyed the private and instrument phase of instructing. Seeing my students pass their checkrides first time and then knowing that they would use those skills in the future was very rewarding. But just time building for 2 months and between the hours of 10pm - 6am really burnt me out. So getting back to actually "instructing" is what I'm looking forward to.
 
ProudPilot said:
I completely agree. The point is to be a competent PIC, not someone who has memorized the FAR/AIM. You know who has memorized the FAR/AIM, the FAR/AIM... it's a book, bring it with you... you... can... reference... it. However, if you know every regulation but can't land the plane in a 20kt crosswind, then it's pointless.

Aviate
Navigate
Communicate
Emergencies
Checklists
then figure out if what you're doing is legal. If not... NASA ASRS form!
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And I completely agree with you completely agreeing with him. Well said. I know I have forgotten probably half the stuff I knew for my CFI ride 8 years ago. But I'm a better teacher now than I was then.
 
My enthusiasm ebbs and flows and yeah..there have been brief periods where I was "that guy." Luckily theres plenty of "that guy" hours built into our syllabus (chinese contract students who don't solo after the required time in private). Endless 4hr cross countries...the student is PIC and I'm along just for the gotchas should one occur. Ive literally been to just about every airport between Redding and Bakersfield 30 times at 80 knots. Ive been teaching here for 20 months..and YES! there are times when I feel like I can't remember how to tie my shoes let alone explain something Ive taught 1000 times before.

It happens to everyone..the only instructor who has never experienced a slack is the anonymous one on the interwebs telling you so.

Popaviator..got your PM..I'll reply later..have another flight now
 
amjon said:
Be careful with the use of all, maybe most would be a better word. I can say that I have no desire to do anything in avaiation other than teach. I love to fly and I love to teach. Will I do it full time? I highly doubt that, but I still would love to instruct part time. My 2nd graders probably know more about how a plane flies than most of their peers now. ;)
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You say that now at "22.4" hours but wait until you have 500 dual givin in 152s and it's 95 outside and you student is pre-solo and smells, you smell and the pattern has 5 planes in it and they are cross controlling at every turn.
 
mikecweb said:
You say that now at "22.4" hours but wait until you have 500 dual givin in 152s and it's 95 outside and you student is pre-solo and smells, you smell and the pattern has 5 planes in it and they are cross controlling at every turn.
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Love the ticker. That's win^10.

-mini
 
mikecweb said:
You say that now at "22.4" hours but wait until you have 500 dual givin in 152s and it's 95 outside and you student is pre-solo and smells, you smell and the pattern has 5 planes in it and they are cross controlling at every turn.
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I could, but I am also saying that I have NO intention of going to the airlines. To say that that is all those CFIing want is not true for everyone. ;)

BTW I am not NEW to teaching. I am going on my 10th year now and I haven't gotten tired of it yet. :)
 
amjon said:
I could, but I am also saying that I have NO intention of going to the airlines. To say that that is all those CFIing want is not true for everyone. ;)

BTW I am not NEW to teaching. I am going on my 10th year now and I haven't gotten tired of it yet. :)
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Neither do I, all I'm say is you really don't know how stressful flight instructing is until you actually do it.
 
mikecweb said:
Neither do I, all I'm say is you really don't know how stressful flight instructing is until you actually do it.
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I can guess. I deal with 16-25 students at one time. (Though it is slightly harder for them to kill me, unless they all gang up.) The point I was making was that not everyone is there for "time building", some are there because they genuinely want to teach. To say noone goes into flight instructing to actually teach is not true.
 
My burn out day was when I had 8 students in one day that were all working on TO and LDG. Never got out of the pattern.

Back then I knew all of the Reg’s, now I only know what I need to, I think.
 
I'm not a fan of instructing...I really can't wait till I hit my hours and exit out of this part of aviation.. Doesn't mean that I am a bad instructor :rolleyes: or will screw over my students "leave them hanging".. You guys are giving him way to much flack only because he is kind of burnt out on instructing.
 
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