And so it begins... XJT stole SKYW's flying

I think that threads like this are important.

In any pilot group you'll have some like the ones mention in the OP. That goes for everybody. You'll have the very best and worst of the human experience seeping out of the cracks everywhere you look.

I think it's important that when business changes occur and one regional pilot group benefits while another sees cuts, it's important to discuss it.

It exposes the underlying attitudes of each pilot group, better or worse.

Ultimately I think that as a profession when we examine the dynamic of how pilots interact between companies, we learn to understand each other.

Understanding each other as professionals is how we learn how to live together while we try to elevate the profession as a whole.

It's likely that won't always come together like peanut butter and jelly, but we owe it to ourselves to try.

In the meantime, do lets keep it civil. :)
 
stuckingfk said:
There isn't anything online I can show you since there's not, this isn't published information right off the bat.
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Understood... so I guess I'm wondering why you are so sure of your position?

Everything I've stated to represent my position with regards to leases, our profitability potential, etc. has been backed up with public information.
 
Firebird2XC said:
I think that threads like this are important.

In any pilot group you'll have some like the ones mention in the OP. That goes for everybody. You'll have the very best and worst of the human experience seeping out of the cracks everywhere you look.

I think it's important that when business changes occur and one regional pilot group benefits while another sees cuts, it's important to discuss it.

It exposes the underlying attitudes of each pilot group, better or worse.

Ultimately I think that as a profession when we examine the dynamic of how pilots interact between companies, we learn to understand each other.

Understanding each other as professionals is how we learn how to live together while we try to elevate the profession as a whole.

It's likely that won't always come together like peanut butter and jelly, but we owe it to ourselves to try.

In the meantime, do lets keep it civil. :)
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agreed:clap:
 
zmiller4 said:
Agreed, but that's three guys. I haven't heard anything like that, and I've interacted with a lot more than three Skywest pilots. As Bike said, it's pretty unfair to judge a pilot group by a random encounter with 3 people.
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Agreed. You have to be careful not to paint an entire pilot group with a broad brush based on an encounter with several pilots. Of course people get bummed when the flying goes to someone else and feel happy when flying increases. Hopefully you just caught them at a bad time and they will have time to simmer down. (“Simma down now.”) Or maybe they were really jerks. Who knows? Most guys I know, here or at any company, just take the changes in stride and adjust.

I have watched us shut down bases before and I have watched us expand. This is regional flying and this is how it works. Flying is going to come and sometimes it will go; so no need to be overly surprised and belligerent when it does.

What bothers me is when on any forum, as soon as something negative happens to a company then there are always those “Serves them right!” type comments. Ultimately most of us are on the same team and have more things in common than not, as it pertains to this industry.
 
pat84106 said:
Look for skywest to focus more on the Q400s and larger crjs. The 50-seater is a thing of the past and is below skywest.
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Insert large stick and begin stirring pot. Wash, rinse, repeat blah, blah, blah, blah, blah . . . . . . . . . . . . Quit throwing rocks at a hornets nest.

Elitist attitudes do nothing to improve discussions on these forums.
 
It's always nice to see growth at a place with a decent contract and good people. Especially since some of our fellow pilots are on the street. Anyone who gets too worked up over something like this really needs to get out more... there's a whole world out there! ;)

It will also offer another perspective on deice, parking break, and generally other ual specific issues that some oother airlines might still be sorting out....
 
We are working on the De-Ice/Brake issue as we speak... actually, it's because of the heads up received from folks here on the forum. :)

The general consensus on our end is: Door closure is a hand off of responsibility. Responsibility is compensated.
 
Captain_Bob said:
We are working on the De-Ice/Brake issue as we speak... actually, it's because of the heads up received from folks here on the forum. :)

The general consensus on our end is: Door closure is a hand off of responsibility. Responsibility is compensated.
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Back when I was humping bags I know there was an issue about pay and the main cabin door. The company people said to knock on the door as soon as they pulled in. I waited until I was ready for the people to get off (get the gate checks out of the back). Less work for me, and you guys got paid more. And from what I was told it worked the same way on departure. At least thats what I thought, pay was door to door, not brake to brake. Did that change?
 
OldTownPilot said:
At least thats what I thought, pay was door to door, not brake to brake. Did that change?
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IIRC pay is currently brake to door.

And the CAs can't just pop the brake to get pay started for de-ice since ACARS will send the OUT time and ops will think the gate is clear.
 
Clocks said:
And the CAs can't just pop the brake to get pay started for de-ice since ACARS will send the OUT time and ops will think the gate is clear.
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Correct. That is the main issue here. UAL ops wants the brake release to pushback time to be less than 1 minute in case other aircraft are waiting on the gate.

But, with the de-ice scenario then that means that we have responsibility for the passengers and the aircraft with no pay since they want to do the De-Ice at the gate after we have already loaded everyone up.

Regarding the Main Cabin Door pay issue that Justin is referring to... that was a computer system issue. Our contract says we get paid from brake release to Main Cabin Door opening... however, the company software was capturing the baggage door instead and as a result we were losing several minutes of time each leg. We won in arbitration, but the company still said it was too expensive to fix the computer software, so they worked out a deal where every pilot got an extra 20 minutes of pay per month until it was fixed.

We finally have it fixed, and some pilots who are logging the difference are seeing as low as 15 minutes to as high as 40 - 60 minutes a month.

Hopefully we can find some work-around the UAL De-Ice issue too.
 
Clocks said:
And the CAs can't just pop the brake to get pay started for de-ice since ACARS will send the OUT time and ops will think the gate is clear.
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Yup. The screens the people in ops look at show the plane as leaving the gate as soon as there is an out-time. Sometimes if the brakes are relased then MX is called over at the last second, the next plane waiting for the gate will end up holding for 10 minutes before Ops looks up at the cameras and says "Hey, wait a second."

Its never fun to explain to people why they missed their connection sitting on the ground when they ended up pulling into a gate that was empty from the moment they landed due to miscommunication.
 
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I have reopened this thread, and there was some discussion as to whether we should or not. You know what? I don't think we ought to close threads that can have value... I think we should just give infractions until people who can not behave themselves just find themselves banned.

I appreciate the divergent opinions here, but not the childish potshots, so grow up!


The adults were taking this opportunity to have a discussion, even though the title of the thread was designed to be controversial.

I invite you (us) to have an impassioned debate, but let's remember we are in Doug's living room.

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Is UA the only airline that does this (de-icing at the gate) at ORD? Most major airports have de-ice pads which keeps the gates open and traffic flowing.​
 
OldTownPilot said:
At least thats what I thought, pay was door to door, not brake to brake. Did that change?
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Depends on how your ACARS works. :) If we sat at the gate 5 minutes after parking, and the FA opened the door without double checking with me, we'd lose those 5 minutes. Joke is you can always tell the CAs that haven't hit 1000 TPIC yet. We're the ones that reset the brake EVERY time.
 
Right before I got furloughed from Mesa we started getting automated form emails that went something like this: 'A trained and competent United Airlines auditor has determined that on May 5th in flight 7069 while you were acting as Captain/First Officer/Galley Slave you released the parking brake 4 minutes prior to pushback. <insert disciplinary threat here>.'

The funny part was they sent them to us on the Dash where the ACARS time out came from the main cabin door closing, not the parking brake. After the door closed we still had checklists to do, so invariably there would always be like a 3 or 4 minutes in between. It became a contest to see who could get the most letters.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
Right before I got furloughed from Mesa we started getting automated form emails that went something like this: 'A trained and competent United Airlines auditor has determined that on May 5th in flight 7069 while you were acting as Captain/First Officer/Galley Slave you released the parking brake 4 minutes prior to pushback. <insert disciplinary threat here>.'

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".......and if you fail again in this manner, we will have no option but to terminate your employment and replace you with one of the many SJSers willing to work for beans, currently in the stack of resumes on Mr O's desk. You've been warned....."
 
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