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(Gosh, I crack myself up sometimes)
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I understand this to be the case... although you could have said SkW did not want to "pursue that flying" vs. "waste their time" with that flying. Which leads to your next quote:The UAL flying was for about 30 50-seaters for about 3 years, Skywest did not want to waste their time with that flying. They would have had to buy 30 or so planes and hire for those planes only to have to deal with the headache in 3 years of what to do with them.
Look for skywest to focus more on the Q400s and larger crjs.
The 50-seater is a thing of the past and is below skywest.
Meh, don't let a few sore losers ruin it for everyone else. These types are at every airline and we all know it. Move on, next thread.
Look for skywest to focus more on the Q400s and larger crjs. The 50-seater is a thing of the past and is below skywest.
Can you fit through the door with that ego? 19 turboprop seat flying was "beneath the majors," too in the 70's. Hence the reason the genie is out of the bottle, and the 70-90 seat flying that SHOULD be mainline jobs has a lot of us capped at lower paying regionals. But, hey. If you wanna have your career beholden to another carrier and complain all the time when someone else gets a contract your company bid on, be my guest. It's not my goal, though.
In ORD tonight coming in from Europe, I got talking to three SKYW pilots. One was an 8 year CA and other two newer FOs. They were talking about how ExpressJet stole their flying in SLC and now ORD.
They threw out every option that they could give XJT such as blocked allies, denied jumpseats, stepping on radios. These guys had serious hatred. At first it was fuuny to listen to but it got quite malicious. The XJT planes would suffer from poor baggage handeling to the rest of the items. It was these guys mission to make sure the new Mesa (by underbidding everyone else) would feel the pain.
Sad really.
The UAL flying was for about 30 50-seaters for about 3 years, Skywest did not want to waste their time with that flying. They would have had to buy 30 or so planes and hire for those planes only to have to deal with the headache in 3 years of what to do with them.
Look for skywest to focus more on the Q400s and larger crjs. The 50-seater is a thing of the past and is below skywest.
nice flamebait! I bet half of the Skywest pilot group doesn't even know about the xjet/yo-nited flying. Very small percentage of pilots hang around on the internet flinging poo all day. As for me personally I'm happy to see anybody with better work rules and pay get awarded flying.
I love the drama-nature of the Airline Pilot forum section here, where many threads start with: "...and so it begins..."
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In ORD tonight coming in from Europe, I got talking to three SKYW pilots. One was an 8 year CA and other two newer FOs. They were talking about how ExpressJet stole their flying in SLC and now ORD.
They threw out every option that they could give XJT such as blocked allies, denied jumpseats, stepping on radios. These guys had serious hatred. At first it was fuuny to listen to but it got quite malicious. The XJT planes would suffer from poor baggage handeling to the rest of the items. It was these guys mission to make sure the new Mesa (by underbidding everyone else) would feel the pain.
Sad really.
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is... where exactly you are seeing that we lowball'd everyone on the bid in such a way to actually lose money.
I wonder why we are reactivating the XM radio in all aircraft that will be flying under UAL colors too... must be taking a loss on that as well.
The cash bleeding that you are referring too is no longer existent... Had we done nothing more but continue our contract with CAL (which would most likely have resulted in a few more furloughs) then we would not be in the red much longer since we've streamlined our operations. You can easily see that trend via the Quarterly Reports.
How does everyone make the wild jump from "streamlined, efficient operation, competitively priced" to "bottom of the barrel, flying at a loss", bidder?
I know it seems hard to believe in this economic environment... but don't you think that it's possible folks are looking for a good quality product, fairly priced vs. just the "cheapest" product?
Just curious.
Bob
(I'm really trying to cut back on my kool-aid intake... I swear it.)
No one stole anyone's flying...its United flying that was contracted out. SkyWest people bitching need to get their panties out of a wad and see what they're doing to the industry.
No offense taken... but a more expensive pilot group does not equal a more expensive operation as a whole. There are soooo many other ways an airline can maintain profitability and be competitively priced without dropping pilot pay to the bottom of the barrel.Because a much more expensive pilot group, you, beat out in price and price alone against the likes of TSA and other lower cost airlines...
Don't take this as bashing your pilot group. This is nothing against the group at all, this is management's decision.
Good luck guys.
No offense taken... but a more expensive pilot group does not equal a more expensive operation as a whole. There are soooo many other ways an airline can maintain profitability and be competitively priced without dropping pilot pay to the bottom of the barrel.
The line of thinking that you are representing is a "management" tool at many other carriers... "We can't be competitive because we pay you pilots too much! We need to you take concessions in order to get better contracts!". When in actuality, pilot pay is a small part of the overall operation and efficiencies in any airline.
In addition, all parked airframe leases are being covered by CAL and not XJT (per the latest CPA). All other airframes are being leased though CAL at a significantly reduced lease rate than prior to our latest 7 year CPA with them. So your theory above... while sound under the circumstances you've created... does not hold much water in this specific scenario.
My challenge to you is to simply show me exactly where it shows that we beat everyone out in "price and price alone".
Bob