Underage drinking, thats sealed... should I disclose?

Soku39

Soku39

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When I was 20 I got caught for underage drinking, and before I start sending my stuff out to the guard , and getting processed I would like to know if I should disclose this or not. All fines were paid, and I did my community service. The record has been expunged and sealed. So after they ask me about my traffic infractions, should I disclose this, or keep it to myself. I have paid for private background checks to be done 6 months after the expungement, and they did not find anything, however of course those were civilian, and not federal.
 
Jbroz04 said:
Just curious. Did you have to report this on your FAA Medical?
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I did, my AME did not issue me the medical on the spot, he sent it in to OKC, the administrator's AME then reviewed my "case" and one was issued to me in the mail. I see where you're going with this, and you do make a very good point.

I can not remember if it was sealed and expunged at the time though.
 
SFLAX said:
I think expunged means it never happened? I might be wrong.
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Not in the case of a DOD background check.

You MUST disclose every run in with the law you have EVER had. I had to go through one when I was the millitary, and I saw a few guys get in BIG trouble for not disclosing something that happend when they were a juvinile.
 
I did. Didn't really affect things much except I had to write an explanation. Express remorse and that you learned from it.
 
Absolutely disclose it, no question there. Underage drinking tickets are very common, and I know lots of folks who had them before they commissioned. I'd be really surprised if it gave you any problems. That said, even if it were a big deal, it is important to be completely honest regardless.
 
USMCmech said:
Not in the case of a DOD background check.

You MUST disclose every run in with the law you have EVER had. I had to go through one when I was the millitary, and I saw a few guys get in BIG trouble for not disclosing something that happend when they were a juvinile.
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///AMG said:
Absolutely disclose it, no question there. Underage drinking tickets are very common, and I know lots of folks who had them before they commissioned. I'd be really surprised if it gave you any problems. That said, even if it were a big deal, it is important to be completely honest regardless.
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:yeahthat:

Disclose EVERYTHING, you'll be hating life if you don't, especially when it comes to security clearances.
 
I know someone who had a similar issue and is now in AF pilot training.

PM me if you like and I can check with him.
 
As far as i understand as soon as u pay the fine it is dropped from ur record.. that is what i was told in the state of MD.. so as i see it.. it never happend..good luck guard is great
 
cencal83406 said:
Not difficult at all. If you're going to do it, don't go to a huge party... you're guaranteed to get busted.
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As I recall, that was a perfect place to drink...or with just a few friends...or alone....etc....etc. The only time I kinda got busted was in Reno, Nevada when I was 19, drinking beer. It was a security guard in the hotel lobby and he threatened to call the cops. We gave him money for some beer and he let us go. It's all good :)
 
highalt41 said:
As far as i understand as soon as u pay the fine it is dropped from ur record.. that is what i was told in the state of MD.. so as i see it.. it never happend..good luck guard is great
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Totally irrelevant re: security clearance. They will find the paper trail, even if the charges were dropped officially from his record. Depending on the level of clearance he would need throughout his career, the digging only gets deeper. For example, in tactical aviation, TS/SCI is quite common and without really getting into details, suffice to say that they are VERY thorough with that one, to include a personal sit down interview with an investigating officer (in addition to most of the other things you would probably imagine them doing).

To the OP, again, this is seriously almost a non-event on your record (I was probably about the only person I knew in college that didn't get such a ticket, and that was pretty much just damn good luck), and it sends a pretty bad message about your integrity if you can't even bring yourself to be honest about the little stuff like this. Not saying you won't do the right thing, just pointing out that when you start picking and choosing what is worthy of honesty, you really can't be trusted to fess up or make the hard decisions when it really matters.

Good example of how this kind of thinking can get someone in trouble or worse.....you go out on a flight, get overly aggressive and over G your aircraft. Get back on deck, check in the line and see that you just barely broke it. You know there is a built in factor of safety padding that number, and you figure from experience that no damage was likely done. So fearing what the skipper/XO or maintence officer might say, you just keep your yam shut. Maintenance turns the aircraft, they don't notice either, and your buddy mans up into it for the next event. He's out to lunch on preflight/startup and doesn't notice the exceedance either. Then one of two things happens......he flies the hop uneventfully and on the next maintenance turn they notice the over G and put it on him (or back track it to you)......or something goes wrong and there is a mishap and it was your fault. All because you didn't want to stand tall in front of the boss and admit that you f'd up. Maybe this is a little bit of a dramatic comparison, but the point is that little omissions like this can't become a habit pattern for a professional nor a military officer. Food for thought, and best of luck to you!
 
I told my recruiter, I started to tell him the city/st that it happened in his response "no more details, no more details, we will run the check and see what comes up" I'm positive it will, but it definitely made me laugh a bit. I'm not worried about it, and ya, you try going to college and keeping your lips off a bottle.

Also if you think that I've been flight instructing for 2 years, and haven't had to make the long walk to the chief pilots office to explain something that shouldn't have happened, well I don't know what to tell you then. ; )

On other note, I think I finally found a decent recruiter, it took a couple weeks of phone calls. It seems that no matter how many times I call different units, the main recruiter transfers me to the recruiter who handles pilots... inevitably it goes to his/her voicemail. I leave one, and never get a call back. Repeat about 2x a week per unit. I'm thankful I finally found a good one, as I'm pretty sure that's the difference behind between me being a blob and me being a military aviator. I'm hoping that if I do not get an interview/job at this unit he will help me out with others, since they seem so hard to reach.
 
Soku39 said:
I told my recruiter, I started to tell him the city/st that it happened in his response "no more details, no more details, we will run the check and see what comes up" I'm positive it will, but it definitely made me laugh a bit. I'm not worried about it, and ya, you try going to college and keeping your lips off a bottle.

Also if you think that I've been flight instructing for 2 years, and haven't had to make the long walk to the chief pilots office to explain something that shouldn't have happened, well I don't know what to tell you then. ; )

On other note, I think I finally found a decent recruiter, it took a couple weeks of phone calls. It seems that no matter how many times I call different units, the main recruiter transfers me to the recruiter who handles pilots... inevitably it goes to his/her voicemail. I leave one, and never get a call back. Repeat about 2x a week per unit. I'm thankful I finally found a good one, as I'm pretty sure that's the difference behind between me being a blob and me being a military aviator. I'm hoping that if I do not get an interview/job at this unit he will help me out with others, since they seem so hard to reach.
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I'm sorry what? Me try going to college and keeping my lips off of a bottle.

:rotfl: Ok, I'll get right on to going to college for you...
 
cencal83406 said:
Not difficult at all. If you're going to do it, don't go to a huge party... you're guaranteed to get busted.
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No...just make sure that somebody nearby is not as fast as you.

OP: Disclose it. They will find it. MIP is almost definitely not disqualifying. Also, I'm not sure "off the record" disclosing it here on a public forum is a great idea if you want to keep something secret...
 
mhcasey said:
No...just make sure that somebody nearby is not as fast as you.
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Ahh that made me chuckle.... Oh so true. Only been at one party that got almost got shut down by the PO-leece... amazingly, the hosts managed to get the cops to do a 180 out of the door.... Must just be a Bizkit Arizona thing...
 
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