Frustrated

My motto is that if it has a TV commercial in which people are having the time of their life, regardless of the ambient air temperature, it's crap beer.
 
Mike H said:
Sounds like you became a CFI only to build time and move on. I pity your students- I really do; they're just a meal ticket to you. Do you care in the least if they're making progress toward their rating? Or is it just as well that it's taking twice as long as it should because, well, you're building time too?

Maybe what you should try doing is ACT like a professional. One way to do that is to give your best effort even when you don't effing feel like it.
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WHOA there Francis..another way to be a PROFESSIONAL is to not post crap like that about people you don't know based on a snippet of conversation that had nothing to do with his professional ethics or commitment.
 
Hang in there jhugz... What your going through is very normal, and helps you really define what you want with your life. I gave up a lot to get into this crazy industry a couple of years ago, and over the past year I've had some definite "Is this worth it?" moments. Stick with it. You've done a lot of hard work and made a lot of sacrifices to get to where you are. Things will get better, but we're all having to pay our dues, just as it should be. Make it a goal to teach to 135 mins and then re-evaluate. Once you get to that level, a lot of options open up to you, including better pay. Good luck, and enjoy that beer! Blue moon is actually pretty decent stuff.
 
LoadMasterC141 said:
I am going to go a different way here than most I guess...Good for you for not taking the parents money.

God knows why my folks did this, but they never gave me a cent and always gave my sister anything she ever needed. Even times of what I thought was dire need, they didn't poney up a cent. Even when my sister didn't need it, they bought her a car.

Now both in our mid 30s, I have managed to live my own life without a penny of help since I moved out at 18, yet she has tapped the folks out for alot of dough, and every government handout systems well.

Don't give up after 6 months of hardship, but get it on your own. The reward is that much sweeter.
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This is dependent on each person, I took whatever I could get (hey its free money) and am self sufficient now.

I wouldn't think twice about taking money for an interview, in fact I did (although it was around $200 R/T for the ticket back in 2003). And I took money for an apartment deposit.

Parents want to help you out, if you are responsible they will gladly help and this will help you long term. My sister practically failed out of college and my parents completely cut her off.
 
Hey even if you never make it to the airlines you can't say that the journey getting your licenses wasn't worth it. Though this industry keeps getting worse by the day i do not regret getting my licenses and putting in the hard work and dedication to get my ratings. It has been one of the BEST experiences i've had, especially when time-building for my commercial.

I met some really cool people, some who will be life long friends, got to see a lot of cool places where i flew myself to (how many people can say that) and i also learned a lot about myself in the process too. What you are going through is normal and we both know you won't give up flying, come on now... :). Look in the other threads, you will see people coming back to fly after taking years off from aviation, they can't seem to stay away!
 
Mike H said:
Sounds like you became a CFI only to build time and move on. I pity your students- I really do; they're just a meal ticket to you. Do you care in the least if they're making progress toward their rating? Or is it just as well that it's taking twice as long as it should because, well, you're building time too?

Maybe what you should try doing is ACT like a professional. One way to do that is to give your best effort even when you don't effing feel like it.
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Mike H said:
wasn't aimed at you.
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So because he has no money and needs money to eat which comes from his students he is bad? Great logic!

I really dont think I have seen a positive post from you yet on any thread, chill out man.
 
Stay positive. A lot of people are having a hard time. About a week ago, I was at a family dinner and talked to a neighbor outside. Turns out he was a United pilot who was just furloghed for the second time in 10 years, with 10 years at the company. He has his house on the market (that he just remodeled a year ago) and is going to have to move his family again. I didn't even know what to say. He is still upbeat even though he is not going to return to the 121 world.

One of my mother's good friends is a civil engineer with 20 years of experience who can't find work in his field, or afford to relocate. He is doing consulting and working as a cow hand with a masters degree.

Don't give up, you are not the only one. If you do decide to make a new path, you will never forget how to fly a plane and for the rest of your life if you want to go for a flight into the sunset you can.
 
Whenever I get fed up with something, I ask myself, "What would I rather be doing?"

After seriously contemplating the situation, along with all my alternative options, I conclude, "Nothing."

Then, logically speaking, if there is nothing I'd rather be doing, by definition I must be in the best spot possible in life.

And if I'm in the best spot possible, I see that as a huge blessing. Any other path would be worse than where I'm at. There's no reason to be pissed about being at the top. It gets me pumped about all the great things in my life.

Of course, if I ever find something better, I'm not afraid to change. If that means moving to a new job, or switching careers entirely, so be it. But I've never gotten to that point yet.

Life's too short to be miserable. If you see something better, go for it. If not, be grateful for all the positive things you have going for you.

Hope this helps.
 
jrh said:
Whenever I get fed up with something, I ask myself, "What would I rather be doing?"

After seriously contemplating the situation, along with all my alternative options, I conclude, "Nothing."

Then, logically speaking, if there is nothing I'd rather be doing, by definition I must be in the best spot possible in life.

And if I'm in the best spot possible, I see that as a huge blessing. Any other path would be worse than where I'm at. There's no reason to be pissed about being at the top. It gets me pumped about all the great things in my life.

Of course, if I ever find something better, I'm not afraid to change. If that means moving to a new job, or switching careers entirely, so be it. But I've never gotten to that point yet.

Life's too short to be miserable. If you see something better, go for it. If not, be grateful for all the positive things you have going for you.

Hope this helps.
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I think he's doing the right thing by not taking his parents money. There is no such thing as "free money", even from your parents. They worked hard for it and he understands that. He's being an absolute professional and an adult. Just because his parents offered it up doesn't mean they were planning to use that same money for something they wanted either. That's the great thing about most parents, if they love you they'll give you the shirt off their backs even if it means they'll freeze to death. Then again if his parents were the Hilton's or Trump I'd say I was wrong about taking the money.

That's the thing I noticed about being a professional pilot, if it paid what it should you wouldn't have pilots having to have spouse's, parents and friends supporting the one person's "dream job". That argument is for a whole different thread...
 
wheelsup said:
This is dependent on each person, I took whatever I could get (hey its free money) and am self sufficient now.

I wouldn't think twice about taking money for an interview, in fact I did (although it was around $200 R/T for the ticket back in 2003). And I took money for an apartment deposit.

Parents want to help you out, if you are responsible they will gladly help and this will help you long term. My sister practically failed out of college and my parents completely cut her off.
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You are right of course. This kind of stuff is always a generalization. Your parents did the right thing and you also greatly respected what they had done for you and made an effort to become self-suffiecient quickly. More importantly, they did the absolute right thing with your sister; Don't appreciate what people have done for you, even parents, and they continue to give it, then they will never learn.

However, I would say you are an exception to the rule, hence the generalization. I see it way too often; kids who have little self-motivation because they know they always have safety net below them. They take alot for granted and have large senses of self-entitlement. Personally, I think it is alot of what is wrong with our society at times.

So in the case of the OP, if you are taking a little dough from the folks here and there...so be it. It is still a slippery slope and it is still a much sweeter reward if you earned it all yourself....UH IMO anyway.
 
Mike H said:
Sounds like you became a CFI only to build time and move on. I pity your students- I really do; they're just a meal ticket to you. Do you care in the least if they're making progress toward their rating? Or is it just as well that it's taking twice as long as it should because, well, you're building time too?

Maybe what you should try doing is ACT like a professional. One way to do that is to give your best effort even when you don't effing feel like it.
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When flying 121 your passengers are nothing more to you than your meal ticket, when flying 135 cargo your boxes are nothing more to you than your meal ticket. Neither of these things means that you are flying or acting unprofessionally.

Why is teaching any different? I was a CFI for a little over 1.5 years and I have to say that my students were simply a meal ticket to me too. That doesn't mean I didn't give them the best possible instruction I could give or didn't try my best to ensure that they all passed and were successful, quite the opposite because the better success my students had and the fairer I was with them the more students wanted to fly with me which in turn increased how much money I was making and made me able to eat steak every so often.
 
3green said:
I think he's doing the right thing by not taking his parents money. There is no such thing as "free money", even from your parents. They worked hard for it and he understands that. He's being an absolute professional and an adult. Just because his parents offered it up doesn't mean they were planning to use that same money for something they wanted either. That's the great thing about most parents, if they love you they'll give you the shirt off their backs even if it means they'll freeze to death. Then again if his parents were the Hilton's or Trump I'd say I was wrong about taking the money.

That's the thing I noticed about being a professional pilot, if it paid what it should you wouldn't have pilots having to have spouse's, parents and friends supporting the one person's "dream job". That argument is for a whole different thread...
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I agree w/ you in not taking the money from the parents. I don't ever ask my parents, brother, or friends for money because I think it's better to be self sufficient. My parents helped me enough w/ college which is why I don't ever ask for anything from them.
Jhugs, good luck w/ whatever you decide to do. Hope you're feeling better today.
 
jrh said:
Whenever I get fed up with something, I ask myself, "What would I rather be doing?"

After seriously contemplating the situation, along with all my alternative options, I conclude, "Nothing."

Then, logically speaking, if there is nothing I'd rather be doing, by definition I must be in the best spot possible in life.

And if I'm in the best spot possible, I see that as a huge blessing. Any other path would be worse than where I'm at. There's no reason to be pissed about being at the top. It gets me pumped about all the great things in my life.

Of course, if I ever find something better, I'm not afraid to change. If that means moving to a new job, or switching careers entirely, so be it. But I've never gotten to that point yet.

Life's too short to be miserable. If you see something better, go for it. If not, be grateful for all the positive things you have going for you.

Hope this helps.
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I nominate this post for Post of the Year.

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When I was a Realtor®, the lawyers would always quip "Don't worry about what the contract says; nobody ever reads it anyway, not even the lawyers" So it looks like the same thing can be said here. Nobody really reads.

First of all, I wasn't being critical of jhugz, but of ChristheCFII. jhgz is on a downer because he's not earning sufficient income, whereas Chris was whining that he's stuck in a teaching job instead of being able to move on. There are plenty of people here who are not as well off as Chris yet don't whine about it, and not a few of those who aren't all that sympathetic to a whiner who thinks he's got it bad. However bad you think you have it, there's always somebody else who's got it worse- usually a lot of somebody elses.

Now on to some specifics:

SpiraMirabilis said:
When flying 121 your passengers are nothing more to you than your meal ticket, when flying 135 cargo your boxes are nothing more to you than your meal ticket. Neither of these things means that you are flying or acting unprofessionally.
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True, but then your obligation to your passengers and/or boxes, is to safely get them from airport A to airport B and hopefully in a timely manner

Why is teaching any different?
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Well, maybe because you're teaching for one thing. Thats a totally different obligation than you have to boxes or passengers. Also, if you're going to teach, you'd better be in it for something beyond just building time so you can move on or else you're setting yourself up for bitterness and burnout.

I was a CFI for a little over 1.5 years and I have to say that my students were simply a meal ticket to me too. That doesn't mean I didn't give them the best possible instruction I could give or didn't try my best to ensure that they all passed and were successful, quite the opposite because the better success my students had and the fairer I was with them the more students wanted to fly with me which in turn increased how much money I was making and made me able to eat steak every so often.
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I have to admit I haven't read all of your posts, so I'll have to take your word on this: Have you ever whined about being stuck in a CFI job for another 3 years before you could move on?

If I'm reading any of this in the wrong way, I'm pefectly willing to be convinced otherwise
 
Mike H said:
So it looks like the same thing can be said here. Nobody really reads.

First of all, I wasn't being critical of jhugz, but of ChristheCFII.
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The price is wrong, mike. We know who you were talking about...the guy you quoted.

I wasn't going to say anything because I thought enough people responded.

Read what Vikingair wrote, again. He is right.
You don't know anything of the quality of Chris. We do this to eat and pay rent and the better you are the better you eat and you can afford a house to rent without mold. :)
 
Errr, I mean...

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