AFAIK the G3's are not any more, at least i thought they changed itWhy would a college flight program buy planes that take the problem solving, pilotage, and instrument cluster eye scanning skill developing away? College flight program + cirrus trainers = poorly developed and stupid pilots. They had the PERFECT platforms, simple pipers with six packs and no more glass than a single garmin 430.
Someone should tell these kids to get a real degree. Though most of them have no idea at all of the lifestyles pilots live.
EDIT: I just read that the ailerons and rudder are linked in the Cirrus. How the HELL are people going to know how to use rudder pedals if everything is incorporated into a single stick?!?! Crosswind landings are going to be quite a sight by students flying these and especially once they get into a plane that actually has independent controls.
Why would a college flight program buy planes that take the problem solving, pilotage, and instrument cluster eye scanning skill developing away? College flight program + cirrus trainers = poorly developed and stupid pilots. They had the PERFECT platforms, simple pipers with six packs and no more glass than a single garmin 430.
Someone should tell these kids to get a real degree. Though most of them have no idea at all of the lifestyles pilots live.
EDIT: I just read that the ailerons and rudder are linked in the Cirrus. How the HELL are people going to know how to use rudder pedals if everything is incorporated into a single stick?!?! Crosswind landings are going to be quite a sight by students flying these and especially once they get into a plane that actually has independent controls.
EDIT: I just read that the ailerons and rudder are linked in the Cirrus. How the HELL are people going to know how to use rudder pedals if everything is incorporated into a single stick?!?! Crosswind landings are going to be quite a sight by students flying these and especially once they get into a plane that actually has independent controls.
Well, that depends how they're interlinked.
If it's like the old Senecas (55908 at laf av still there?), then that interlink sucks because you actually have to have more control over the aircraft as you fight the bungees.
Kestrel452 said:Why would a college flight program buy planes that take the problem solving, pilotage, and instrument cluster eye scanning skill developing away? College flight program + cirrus trainers = poorly developed and stupid pilots. They had the PERFECT platforms, simple pipers with six packs and no more glass than a single garmin 430.
it is like you describedWell, that depends how they're interlinked.
If it's like the old Senecas (55908 at laf av still there?), then that interlink sucks because you actually have to have more control over the aircraft as you fight the bungees.
Now, if it's like an Ercoupe, that's a different story.
And, if they charge "lab fees" for flying of real airplanes beyond the Multi-Engine Curriculum, I waive the BS flag.
Actually, I might shoot of an email soon and see what pops up.
Jason, what do you know? (Sorry, I haven't called, I've been avoiding CVG like the plague. I can't get there and home. LAX and ANC is easier....)
So speak with your dollars. Good money says that Purdue isn't going to see a drop in enrollment because of the change in fleet. They may even see an increase, due to the shiny new airplanes. You seem to have a vendetta against lots of things. Perhaps its time to step back, and take a chill pill. You can try to give other people advise, but you can't live their lives for them. Lots of schools have made Cirrii work for the training environment (Western Michigan, Delta Connection, CAPT, etc...). It might work, might not.
I have no vendettas. However, I had really hoped to train with Purdue and their a/c decision has killed my desire to go with them.
I am perfectly calm and dont need a "chill pill".
A cirrus WORKS, but it's not by any means the RIGHT aircraft to use as a trainer. Anyone who wants to maximize their job opportunities should get time in a Piper or Cessna with analog systems. Those who want to minimize their job opps should train in glass systems, especially planes like a Cirrus.
One of my primary concerns with this fleet deal is the change in turbine aircraft. I'll also have to put up the BS flag if the school makes it mandatory to pay a lab fee to get the Pheonom type. Most of the faculty I've spoken with were against the deal since the Pheonom couldn't cover the requirements of the school and TFO operations would decrease. They feared the aircraft would literally punch holes in the sky with students instead of being utilized for actual travel....I really hope the students don't have to foot the bill for that.
EDIT: I just read that the ailerons and rudder are linked in the Cirrus. How the HELL are people going to know how to use rudder pedals if everything is incorporated into a single stick?!?! Crosswind landings are going to be quite a sight by students flying these and especially once they get into a plane that actually has independent controls.
A cirrus WORKS, but it's not by any means the RIGHT aircraft to use as a trainer. Anyone who wants to maximize their job opportunities should get time in a Piper or Cessna with analog systems. Those who want to minimize their job opps should train in glass systems, especially planes like a Cirrus.
Here's an idea: order another Piper fleet...use the money saved to pay the CFIs more than minimum wage so they actually care. Make the CFI process competitive so those who make it through actually build legitimate hours and are a quality product.?
actually Piper quit making the PA-28's earlier this year or late last yearUhh, you do know that Piper is only offering the PA-28 line with either the Avidyne or the G1000 systems. So, that makes the glass panel point kind of irrelevant. Perhaps a split fleet, like Diamond 20's/40's would have made more sense, but apparently not. Just be happy you didn't end up with Cessna GroundPounders (aka Skycatcher).
Uhh, you do know that Piper is only offering the PA-28 line with either the Avidyne or the G1000 systems. So, that makes the glass panel point kind of irrelevant. Perhaps a split fleet, like Diamond 20's/40's would have made more sense, but apparently not. Just be happy you didn't end up with Cessna GroundPounders (aka Skycatcher).