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bdhill1979

bdhill1979

Gone West
Today I got to fly with a guy that thinks his instructor is screwing him by not signing him off for the Insrument checkride. my critique:


Did not check NOTAMS. Skipped GNS530 self test and database check, did not know how to find the database expiration, did not know why it was important. Adjusting instruments instead of listening to entire ATIS, shut off ATIS without full ATIS. Taxiing using brakes to steer. Using brakes for directional control on takeoff roll. Never intercepted departure radial. Attempted first power off stall in cruise configuration, after prompting for landing configuration attempted to extend flaps in 15 degree nose high attitude, once configuration was right stall had no directional control and lost 300 feet of altitude, did not know 100 feet was the maximum. Power on stall attempted using no rudder input. Hold instructions were obviously not understood never asked for clarification, did not turn till half mile past hold fix, turned left instead of right, held on non protected side. Vectors to ILS 13: needed explanation to set LOC into GPS for distance, overshot LOC by half a mile, never got LOC centered consistently, did not understand LOC distances without PROC loaded, never consistently on GS, adjusted DG to Mag Compass inside the FAF (he set it 15 degrees wrong) causing large course deviations, descended to 50 above TDZE before being told to go missed. VOR/DME 13: continued resetting DG incorrectly, large course deviations causing large over-corrections, fishtail approach. GPS 13 Partial panel: compass and timed turns were mostly guessing, celebrated when he got one right, finally checked ATIS (which had changed) five minutes after being told to expect GPS 13, never loaded GPS approach until prompted to 1 mile outside FAF, was using distance to VOR and the previous DIRECT TO for the LOC for course guidance. Through the whole flight constantly talking about irrelevant things like the last approach or the way his instructor did it. On ground argued with all of my critiques, saying he only had trouble because I did not do things the same way as his instructor, that he really knew what he was doing.
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I need beer :beer:
 
bdhill1979 said:
I need beer :beer:
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I'll say. Do that ILS again and don't say a word but just say my plane when he's about to crash into the trees and make him look up. Maybe if he realized he'd have killed himself he might learn? Sounds like he needs to start from the beginning and focus on some visual stuff first, maybe him and Kennedy need an introduction.

Edit: Oh on the ILS you might want to coordinate w/tower so they don't have a bowel movement.
 
bdhill1979 said:
Today I got to fly with a guy that thinks his instructor is screwing him by not signing him off for the Insrument checkride. my critique:





I need beer :beer:
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Living the dream. I had a student today tell me when they were going on a stage check.
 
shdw said:
I'll say. Do that ILS again and don't say a word but just say my plane when he's about to crash into the trees and make him look up. Maybe if he realized he'd have killed himself he might learn? Sounds like he needs to start from the beginning and focus on some visual stuff first, maybe him and Kennedy need an introduction.

Edit: Oh on the ILS you might want to coordinate w/tower so they don't have a bowel movement.
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Oh, he isn't my problem, just flying with him so my buddy can have my critique for the "Come to Jesus" talk that is coming tomorrow.
 
jhugz said:
Living the dream. I had a student today tell me when they were going on a stage check.
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I actually have my students do this as long as the school I am with allows it. I am teaching them to be PIC and for me that doesn't stop at just the aircraft, that includes briefing, preparation for stage checks, and general flight discipline/management(ADM). I show them what they need to know, prepare them for it, and give them my critique. But the final go/no go for stage checks (with the exception of the first one) lies in their hands unless I feel they are completely out of their mind.

IMO letting them loose allows them to grow more as a PIC than any other lesson I can give them. As long as it is safe and it isn't for an FAA check ride that effects my ticket, than what the heck, we learn best from our failures.
 
I wonder how your flight could have even lasted that long.
You don't give up, huh?

Sounds like a major waste of avgas, right after never intercepted departure radial...

:beer:
 
I had a student like that not too long ago. he was really mad his instructor wouldn't sign him off. We had multiple flights almost identical to the flight you just described. 50 hours later I finally gave him the sign off. He actually was really good on his checkride. He turned a corner after about 90 hours of simulated instrument, when he decided that I may have been right and studied.
 
Cessna414JJB said:
I wonder how your flight could have even lasted that long.
You don't give up, huh?

Sounds like a major waste of avgas, right after never intercepted departure radial...

:beer:
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Oh it was painful, but my time was blocked out for him, so I earned my monies and washed my hands of it.
 
Oh boy, oblivious.
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I had a near finishing up instrument student go full scale deflection 3 out of 3 approaches in one lesson. (he had that habit)
I told him to ride with the chief to see if he can help with the scan.
He told the chief it was the "end of course stage check" - backhand
 
bdhill1979 said:
Today I got to fly with a guy that thinks his instructor is screwing him by not signing him off for the Insrument checkride. my critique:
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I'll buy you one.

For serious? How long was that ride, I don't think I could do that in 2 hours if I was trying pretty damn hard to screw up...
 
drunkenbeagle said:
I'll buy you one.

For serious? How long was that ride, I don't think I could do that in 2 hours if I was trying pretty damn hard to screw up...
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1.8

I had 3 pages of notes, and I don't write down things done right. The above critique is condensed to fit into the flight school's text limited record.
 
shdw said:
A good critique should emphasize the positive. . .you fail! lol
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Oh I absolutely agree in most cases, but that was not the goal for this one.

I wonder what time their meeting is, I would like to be there for it but I'm waiting on a call for a trip today.
 
bdhill1979 said:
Oh I absolutely agree in most cases, but that was not the goal for this one.

I wonder what time their meeting is, I would like to be there for it but I'm waiting on a call for a trip today.
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Was joking anyways, how can you emphasis a positive when one doesn't exist? Silly FAA folk. Hey speaking of that, when have you had an FAA examiner emphasis the positive, this idea is rigged I tell you.
 
JustinA said:
Sounds like that student needs to go back to Stage 1 of the private course and start over.
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No, he is more an example that with enough money, a hungry or uncaring instructor to take that money, and a pushover examiner; anyone can get a pilot's license.
 
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