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av8or91
Well-Known Member
You need to be more specific because you havent really had valid complaint yet... What exactly is it that you dont like? Be specific.
Ill stop with the I hate UND.
flyeagle111
CFO
coa787, I think your problem is you party too hard and don't study enough. Seriously you think you can party till 4 am every night and ditch class everyday?
FlyingOfficer
New Member
That happened 2 or 3 days ago. Of course I was supposed to launch. IFR Dual Only was all I needed to go.
Looking at the screen in dispatch today which said "IFR Dual Only", with scattered clouds, made me laugh.
Oh, and I HATE doing the "clear left, clear right" BS in a C172, not to mention the "to the line/below the line" crap. I'm surprised there's not an "APU........not installed" item on the checklist.
coa787
Unknown Member
What complaint? Have I not said that this wasn't for complaining? Just a few common things that I've heard people talking about that might make you not like flying at UND. Figured I'd just say something about it so people will think twice about going to fly there if they realize that maybe they won't like flying there for some of those reasons. I don't know.
I guess it's kinda pointless to even have this thread because there will be things at every university that people don't like. Even before I went to college, I've been split on whether or not I should go this route... and still am. Had I known some of those things, maybe I would've made what I thought was a better choice.
Being at UND is tolerable for me, but it isn't for others so maybe I could help them change their mind. No point in going there if you know you're gonna absolutely hate it and could not stay there for even another day for the things that I said in my original post, but maybe you didn't already know about those things. Now that you know, it could only help you make a choice that you think will be better for you in the long run.
mokulele
Well-Known Member
As an alumnus of UND, all I have to say is, although UND may have some seemingly stupid rules, in the end I learned to appreciate the level of discipline it fostered.
For example, you may think checklist organization in a Piper Warrior may seem silly (and if you compare this to "traditional" general aviation flying - it is silly). I believe this helps you to develop discipline in standardization. In the professional world of aviation you have profiles, checklists, call outs that require you to have situational awareness of what tasks are to be completed in very specific phases of flight or maneuvers. You will hopefully carry this with you to your first professional job.
As for the weather restrictions, I too sometimes wonder what the SOF is thinking, but if that's what they want to lay down, then so be it. Better safe than sorry, IMO. I do know that of 800+ students, there are likely a handful of idiots that will get themselves in trouble if they are given the opportunity.
I recall hearing a transmission that went something like this on an extremely cold winter day last year. Temps were below freezing at the surface and aloft with an overcast layer above 3000' AGL or so.
"Grand Forks Approach, Sioux ## requesting a block of airspace so we can get some actual in the soup!..." (sounds excited, eager)
I have a huge '?' in my head knowing they just requested a block of airspace above my altitute when temps aloft were below freezing.
Approach gives him his block of airspace.
A minute later...
"Approach, Sioux ##, we need lower! We're picking up some ice!..." (sounds excited, except this time scared).
Go figure!... Doh!
I do recognize the political intricacies of dealing with Flight Operations, but I don't see that as a reason to avoid UND all together unless it bothers you THAT much. I did start my flight training Part 61 (did my private SEL) at my local FBO and then transferred into the UND program. What I found lacking with my Part 61 training was the thoroughness and consistency of my training. The airplanes were old, equipment outdated, and just overall shady in general (improper MELs, balding tires, interiors shot to hell). My instructor didn't really have a solid plan for me. He'd often ask me "what do you feel like practicing today?" (don't get me wrong, sometimes flexibility is good). But in the end it dragged on because it was expensive and there were no real time constraints.
Your training at UND is what you make of it.
For example, you may think checklist organization in a Piper Warrior may seem silly (and if you compare this to "traditional" general aviation flying - it is silly). I believe this helps you to develop discipline in standardization. In the professional world of aviation you have profiles, checklists, call outs that require you to have situational awareness of what tasks are to be completed in very specific phases of flight or maneuvers. You will hopefully carry this with you to your first professional job.
As for the weather restrictions, I too sometimes wonder what the SOF is thinking, but if that's what they want to lay down, then so be it. Better safe than sorry, IMO. I do know that of 800+ students, there are likely a handful of idiots that will get themselves in trouble if they are given the opportunity.
I recall hearing a transmission that went something like this on an extremely cold winter day last year. Temps were below freezing at the surface and aloft with an overcast layer above 3000' AGL or so.
"Grand Forks Approach, Sioux ## requesting a block of airspace so we can get some actual in the soup!..." (sounds excited, eager)
I have a huge '?' in my head knowing they just requested a block of airspace above my altitute when temps aloft were below freezing.
Approach gives him his block of airspace.
A minute later...
"Approach, Sioux ##, we need lower! We're picking up some ice!..." (sounds excited, except this time scared).
Go figure!... Doh!
I do recognize the political intricacies of dealing with Flight Operations, but I don't see that as a reason to avoid UND all together unless it bothers you THAT much. I did start my flight training Part 61 (did my private SEL) at my local FBO and then transferred into the UND program. What I found lacking with my Part 61 training was the thoroughness and consistency of my training. The airplanes were old, equipment outdated, and just overall shady in general (improper MELs, balding tires, interiors shot to hell). My instructor didn't really have a solid plan for me. He'd often ask me "what do you feel like practicing today?" (don't get me wrong, sometimes flexibility is good). But in the end it dragged on because it was expensive and there were no real time constraints.
Your training at UND is what you make of it.
I seriously think the international program needs to be seperated, its just too big for our airport on top of the undergrads. Not saying get rid of it, but send them along with some employees willing to transfer to a new town/airport. Mabe infest Minot, towns people seem lonley there and could use the culture. :cwm27:
I also just want to say something about our so called safety program and those safety reports. Who keeps reporting stupid things such as: king air exhaust fumes entered building, student caught running on ramp, water pooling in hangar creating slipping hazzard etc. I think if this keeps up, I too will start adding to it just for the heck of it. I already got some good ideas that I've actually seen happen. Like that one day when a lear jet visited UND it parked on bravo ramp, funny no one reported that thing taxiing TOO FAST. Or how about Mesaba not following reccomeded traffic patter procedures at Thief River?? Just fly straight in to runway 31 why dont you when you should have entered the 45 to the downwind and joined the rest of the traffic in the pattern. Those planes in the pattern have right of way because they are the lower aircraft with intentions of landing, right out the the FARs. I know I probably sound dumb but oh well.
I also just want to say something about our so called safety program and those safety reports. Who keeps reporting stupid things such as: king air exhaust fumes entered building, student caught running on ramp, water pooling in hangar creating slipping hazzard etc. I think if this keeps up, I too will start adding to it just for the heck of it. I already got some good ideas that I've actually seen happen. Like that one day when a lear jet visited UND it parked on bravo ramp, funny no one reported that thing taxiing TOO FAST. Or how about Mesaba not following reccomeded traffic patter procedures at Thief River?? Just fly straight in to runway 31 why dont you when you should have entered the 45 to the downwind and joined the rest of the traffic in the pattern. Those planes in the pattern have right of way because they are the lower aircraft with intentions of landing, right out the the FARs. I know I probably sound dumb but oh well.
Scandinavian13
New Member
I don't think Minot would have a clue what to do with themselves...or an influx of a whole bunch of foreigners. Then again, the part of my family up in ND (Minot/Bismarck) might as well be foreigners, compared to what I grew up with in Virginia...
Nutz, be careful with the FARs:
Downwind at a lower altitude than someone on a straight-in approach does not constitute right of way. That's not to say, however, that a straight-in approach would be the correct course of action, or would be appropriate. As far as I know, traffic patterns are not regulatory in nature. That is to say it is not in violation of the FARs to conduct a straight-in approach instead of following the pattern. Note that in the AIM the depiction of the Standard Left Traffic Pattern is only recommended. Conducting a straight-in approach with people in the pattern would be more in violation with common courtesy, I think. I'm no aviation law guy, though.
Nutz, be careful with the FARs:
Emphasis mine.
Downwind at a lower altitude than someone on a straight-in approach does not constitute right of way. That's not to say, however, that a straight-in approach would be the correct course of action, or would be appropriate. As far as I know, traffic patterns are not regulatory in nature. That is to say it is not in violation of the FARs to conduct a straight-in approach instead of following the pattern. Note that in the AIM the depiction of the Standard Left Traffic Pattern is only recommended. Conducting a straight-in approach with people in the pattern would be more in violation with common courtesy, I think. I'm no aviation law guy, though.
TXaviator
Well-Known Member
There are other types of pilots out there besides becoming an airline pilot....
oktex88
Well-Known Member
Then why would you come to UND? UND tries to train you to become an airline pilot... not a bush pilot or acro pilot.
flyeagle111
CFO
Don't like 50% of the flight students drop out of the program after one semester?
oktex88
Well-Known Member
I doubt it's that much and UND probably wouldn't make that statistic public.
It can go the same for FBOs though. A lot of people start private pilot training and never finish.
Slugger
Well-Known Member
I don't see why one would go to an aviation school like Purdue and fly on the side if they live far away. I could go to BU (Boston University) which is a better school than Purdue and still fly on the side.
I hate UND.
PGT
Well-Known Member
Wrong.
There is a difference between flying a Warrior and a RJ with people in the back. Whatever, you have fun pretending your Piper is a jet and running through the ridiculous checklist.
Careful there, Minot has more culture in that little town than most of you would ever realize.
ORDFlyer85
Well-Known Member
Let's face it, we all came to UND for different reasons, but for one passion which is Aviation. I am the first one to tell you that I have had plenty of politics BS with the Flight Operations aspect of the airport, and wanted to give it up many times, but I have stuck it out and am planning on walking out of UND Someday with a degree. No use in UND Flight Ops winning on defeating me, I will show them 
I dunno, I looked at many schools including Purdue and UND impressed me more than the others. You have to admit that our aircraft are par none. Very few of the schools I visited look half as decent as UND did. I agree that the international program is given a little too much focus, than the regular students (even my advisor agrees with that) and I think that has hurt the morale of some of the students. I am not sure I would tell people to jump on their horse and get up to UND for a flying career right away, but I surely think that I've learned some very useful things. The biggest thing I've learned is from my instructors is how not to be like them, especially when they were unprofessional or didn't give a damn about getting the course done in a timely fashion. I think UND prepares people for many different aspects of the industry, not just an Airline Pilot, a lot of our grads have gone in many different directions. Even I too am not as interested in being an Airline Pilot as I once was, but I think UND has given me a decent education, and some of the professors here are some of the best I've had.
Overall I agree that UND isn't for everyone, and I too would have liked to have more info than I did coming in but I agree, if you don't like it right away get out before the money kills ya
Just thought I'd put my two cents in
I dunno, I looked at many schools including Purdue and UND impressed me more than the others. You have to admit that our aircraft are par none. Very few of the schools I visited look half as decent as UND did. I agree that the international program is given a little too much focus, than the regular students (even my advisor agrees with that) and I think that has hurt the morale of some of the students. I am not sure I would tell people to jump on their horse and get up to UND for a flying career right away, but I surely think that I've learned some very useful things. The biggest thing I've learned is from my instructors is how not to be like them, especially when they were unprofessional or didn't give a damn about getting the course done in a timely fashion. I think UND prepares people for many different aspects of the industry, not just an Airline Pilot, a lot of our grads have gone in many different directions. Even I too am not as interested in being an Airline Pilot as I once was, but I think UND has given me a decent education, and some of the professors here are some of the best I've had. Overall I agree that UND isn't for everyone, and I too would have liked to have more info than I did coming in but I agree, if you don't like it right away get out before the money kills ya
Just thought I'd put my two cents in
oktex88
Well-Known Member
I find the checklist comparable to checklists at FBOs....all they did was add a line to the checklist lol. In fact.. when I was flying approaches my instructor and I were doing "Before the line checklist" before UND even added it. If your on approach it just helps you clarify what needs to be done before the FAF increasing the safety of the flight.
Kestrel452
Well-Known Member
:wtf?:
He lives in Ohio which is right next to Indiana. UND is a lot father than Purdue for him. BTW, those pictures were not directed at you; hence why I quoted coa.
Slugger
Well-Known Member
Even so, Ohio State (I think) is a better school than Purdue and it would be cheaper for him because he is in state.