Amerijet On Strike!

727to7400 said:
Yep, off topic...shall we all agree then that the UAW was responsible for the crappy designs of autos for 30 years, non existent quality assurance, and bloated managements?

And that while all that was happening, Japan, Inc., came here under the Marshall Plan, studied how Detroit worked in the 50's, went home, perfected what they learned, improved management accountability while encouraging employee input into product improvement and went from a joke in the 60's to kicking our asses?

...we now return to our regularly scheduled programming....
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We may not agree on anything ALPA-related, but at least we can agree on other labor issues. :beer:
 
WacoFan said:
This is what Amerijet sounds like to me personally. The minute someone asks me to pee or poop in a ziplock is when I begin thinking that maybe I'm not livin the dream. If they can strike and get the little they seem to be asking for back, then great. If they strike and the company folds and they have to take another job...at least there is a good chance that they will be pooping on an actual john that flushes.
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I know, when I read about this, I was thinking, okay, it's cool for my cats to crap in a litter box. But human beings should be allowed to actually sit down and take a dump on a toilet.

And even my cats get their water provided. They aren't asked to go for hours without any.

When the job conditions get to be so bad that people's pets are treated better, then the job just isn't worth having.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Glad someone said something in defense of the UAW. This joke that the union was handcuffing management into running the company into the ground is brutally dishonest.
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But it fits so conveniently in the pro-capitalism rhetoric.

Piss on unions, they are the cause of every problem.
 
One just flattened my tires. Whoops, I forgot the union my father belonged to gave me a substantial scholarship for college and provided for health coverage during those years. Evil! Evil I say! :)

Unions suck, but I sure hope I win my grievance about getting laid off for calling in sick.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Unions suck, but I sure hope I win my grievance about getting laid off for calling in sick.
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And I sure enjoy my day off on Labor Day. Oh, and I enjoy taking my two weeks of vacation and getting sick leave, a 401k, and health insurance from my employer.

But unions suck. Big time.
 
Unions are just like any other organization, they have their good and their bad, some more than others. No place is perfect.
 
tonyw said:
And I sure enjoy my day off on Labor Day. Oh, and I enjoy taking my two weeks of vacation and getting sick leave, a 401k, and health insurance from my employer.

But unions suck. Big time.
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yes, i love all that too. But Im not union...
 
WacoFan said:
Anytime you can involve poledancers into any thread...it is a huge win! Actually, it isn't a bad idea for ALPA - come to the meetings, get involved, and they will be catered by hooters girls and have poledancers. You will have the most active union in the world.

One thing about the Amerijet strike - they are making wonderful use of the internets with the Scabvision thing. Is this the first 121 strike since the advent of the interwebs?
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Where on the nets, or youtube can this scabvision be viewed?
 
MikeD said:
Unions are just like any other organization, they have their good and their bad, some more than others. No place is perfect.
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Says he who has a speech which I still need to be briefed on over beer about why someone left active duty! :)
 
MikeD said:
Unions are just like any other organization, they have their good and their bad, some more than others. No place is perfect.
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Unions are run by people, and since people are imperfect, so are unions. The value of union is directly related to the value of the people that lead it.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Unions are run by people, and since people are imperfect, so are unions. The value of union is directly related to the value of the people that lead it.
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True for any company too, which is why I find the Amerijet situation particularly appalling. That could be any of us there trying to make a living.
 
ljg said:
True for any company too, which is why I find the Amerijet situation particularly appalling. That could be any of us there trying to make a living.
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It shouldn't be.

I find it hard to believe that anyone would say "but I love flying so much" that they would take a job that pays them crap wages for a company that comes pretty damn close to literally crapping on them. Or more accurately, makes them crap on themselves.

What needs to happen is that people need to say, eff you when the job offer comes from a company like that.

Wages and working conditions do not get better until companies that treat their workers like crap find they can't get anyone to work for them.

And when it comes to scabbing, I just don't understand why anyone would say, yes, a job where I have to piss in a bag and get below market wages is worth crossing a line. It just makes no sense to me.
 
Gonzo said:
Why don't we ask?

Randy, was Doug's decision based on the cost-benefit(short term and long term) or was it he didn't want to cross the AMJ line(If that is the case why ask you to poll the pilots?)?
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Actually, both. In today's economy it's difficult to rule anything out when you have the responsibility of keeping people employed. You have to understand that Doug has carried the entire organization, albiet with some pay-cuts, with only a few people being let go since last year. So, naturally his initial reaction is to go after new business.

After talking to a few crewmembers Ken and I brought the concerns to Doug. When we added up all of the facts, especially those surrounding his employee's, the decision not to pursue the work was made. Bottom line, it just didn't fit KII's desires.

Randy
 
KIIDO said:
Actually, both. In today's economy it's difficult to rule anything out when you have the responsibility of keeping people employed. You have to understand that Doug has carried the entire organization, albiet with some pay-cuts, with only a few people being let go since last year. So, naturally his initial reaction is to go after new business.

After talking to a few crewmembers Ken and I brought the concerns to Doug. When we added up all of the facts, especially those surrounding his employee's, the decision not to pursue the work was made. Bottom line, it just didn't fit KII's desires.

Randy
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This actually does A LOT more, in my opinion, to further the aims of the strikers. Let me explain.

If KII had simply declined to take the freight because of "SCAB" being thrown around...didn't even consider the possibility of doing it...people would simply say "Pilot group said "no", company had no choice".

From your perspective, the company looked into this area (the struck freight) and after reviewing all of the data said "Flying struck freight, even in this misreable business climate is not worth it".

Point is this - anyone can make a knee-jerk reaction based upon a prevailing ideology. Kalitta II didn't make a knee-jerk decision...they actually studied the decision...and still decided that flying the struck freight was a bad move. This is more meaningful to me and should be more meaningful to others.

Thank you for posting. I admire that you came here to state your views.
 
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