Who can tow gliders?

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jhugz said:
Yep...not when they can find pilot's for free.
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These pilots are doing this only as a hobby, and are doing whatever they can to make a very expensive hobby more affordable. If forming a club and sharing the responsibilities and activities to keep these cost down is what they choose to do, they why on earth shouldnt they do it? Makes great sense to me. I support it completely.

If there is an A&P that is a member and offers to work on the planes within the jointly owned club for free to keep the cost down, is he ruining the maintenance industry for all of his fellow A&P's? Hardly.
 
Zero1Niner said:
These pilots are doing this only as a hobby, and are doing whatever they can to make a very expensive hobby more affordable. If forming a club and sharing the responsibilities and activities to keep these cost down is what they choose to do, they why on earth shouldnt they do it? Makes great sense to me. I support it completely.

If there is an A&P that is a member and offers to work on the planes within the jointly owned club for free to keep the cost down, is he ruining the maintenance industry for all of his fellow A&P's? Hardly.
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You beat me too it. I had written pretty much the same thing when my computer locked up.

I am pretty sure that these retired airline pilots that tow at clubs for 14 hours on a Saturday for no pay, are not doing it to build time. A glider club is a community; a family. People are around to help each other, in any way they can. The person towing his friends for free, is no different than the glider pilot's wife that makes a dinner for everyone at the end of the day, for free.

I suppose the people that run the line, fuel the towplanes, and do all of the cleaning around the airport are destroying the line-boy industry too right?
 
jhugz I'm normally a very vocal advocate of not flying for free. But in general I draw the line at not sitting in what is normally a paid seat for free. In a soaring club where the members support the club, no one is getting paid to fly the tow plane nor will anyone ever get paid to do it.

I realize you don't agree with that logic but let me see if I can put it into a different perspective for you.

I know people who are marketing consultants for a living. They get paid to help people design and implement marketing solutions for their businesses. But you seem to expect folks to do that very same type of work free of charge in this thread.

In addition, my brother-in-law who is now retired had a very long career as a student counselor at the University of Connecticut. He made a good living helping people make decisions about how and when they should go to school and/or go into the job market. And yet, you expected folks to do that very same type of work for free here in this thread.

So why is it not ok for pilots of volunteer their time and efforts in a non-commercial type of operation which they enjoy, but it's perfectly ok for people to volunteer their time and effort here on this forum completely free of charge when so much of what they're doing is taking real work away from professionals in all sorts of career fields?
 
JHugz is apparently against people wanting to promote aviation and help each other out. Under JHugz thinking the camp that my family runs in the summer for autistic kids that is free for them to attend that helps them continue their education is bad because we dont charge the kids to be there. The fact we raise the money from sponsors and benefits to allow underprivileged autistic kids have a place to go in summer doesn't matter to JHugz because someone somewhere charges for it so we are ruining their business. Listen, in society people help people. In the soaring club the members keep cost low by taking turns to flying tow plane so they dont have to pay someone to do it. Oh wait JHugz I remember you doing alot of safety pilot time for FREE to build time while you were working on your ratings. All that time you were acting as safety pilot you were taking money away from the local CFIs who could have be charging that person to sit in the right seat and teach them. So YOU my friend are responsible for destroying the aviation industry!:sarcasm:
 
Jbroz04 said:
JHugz is apparently against people wanting to promote aviation and help each other out. Under JHugz thinking the camp that my family runs in the summer for autistic kids that is free for them to attend that helps them continue their education is bad because we dont charge the kids to be there. The fact we raise the money from sponsors and benefits to allow underprivileged autistic kids have a place to go in summer doesn't matter to JHugz because someone somewhere charges for it so we are ruining their business. Listen, in society people help people. In the soaring club the members keep cost low by taking turns to flying tow plane so they dont have to pay someone to do it. Oh wait JHugz I remember you doing alot of safety pilot time for FREE to build time while you were working on your ratings. All that time you were acting as safety pilot you were taking money away from the local CFIs who could have be charging that person to sit in the right seat and teach them. So YOU my friend are responsible for destroying the aviation industry!:sarcasm:
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:rotfl:

Obviously I have it out for autistic kids.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

Here is some advice. Hop of your high horse, because no one cares that your father is a lawyer and you have all this money.

Everytime you post on here its a smear campaign. You, Logan, and Alan need to do this thing called growing up. How is his flying at Castle going btw...heard they let him go from an unpaid internship he paid for. Pretty awesome if you ask me.
 
jhugz said:
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Obviously I have it out for autistic kids.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

Here is some advice. Hop of your high horse, because no one cares that your father is a lawyer and you have all this money.

Everytime you post on here its a smear campaign. You, Logan, and Alan need to do this thing called growing up. How is his flying at Castle going btw...heard they let him go from an unpaid internship he paid for. Pretty awesome if you ask me.
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Wow :clap:

That was a great come-back. Much better than continuing to talk about the topic that you can't seem to admit that you are wrong about.


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How was that a smear campaign. I simply stated that under your own logic that doing anything in aviation that should be paid for your a scab. So if you believe that than you must believe that when you were acting as a safety pilot you were yourself a scab because you were taking money away from a cfi. Its the same logic your using to say that towing a glider for free is wrong. Its not my logic its yours!


And when did I get on the horse because I never mentoined how much money I have nor did I mention what my father does? Seems to me you brought that up?
 
tlewis95 said:
That was a great come-back. Much better than continuing to talk about the topic that you can't seem to admit that you are wrong about.
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Obviously I didn't make it clear enough. If you do a job and are not fairly compensated you are destroying this industry. Working for free is bad..mmmkay.
 
jhugz said:
Obviously I didn't make it clear enough. If you do a job and are not fairly compensated you are destroying this industry. Working for free is bad..mmmkay.
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But it's not a job. It's a club, without people volunteering, there would be no club. Doing it for free at a commercial operation would indeed be wrong though.
 
Jbroz04 said:
How was that a smear campaign. I simply stated that under your own logic that doing anything in aviation that should be paid for your a scab. So if you believe that than you must believe that when you were acting as a safety pilot you were yourself a scab because you were taking money away from a cfi. Its the same logic your using to say that towing a glider for free is wrong. Its not my logic its yours!


And when did I get on the horse because I never mentoined how much money I have nor did I mention what my father does? Seems to me you brought that up?
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Nah...I guess I just see what you are like when you aren't hiding behind a computer. Pretty much a spoiled little brat that gets everything he wants.
 
tlewis95 said:
But it's not a job. It's a club, without people volunteering, there would be no club. Doing it for free at a commercial operation would indeed be wrong though.
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We have a glider club on the field that is very very active. They pay there pilots very well. What is 10 extra dollars on a tow for the pilot to be fairly compensated? This is just an excuse for the club to advertise cheaper prices on tows.

Here is a perfect example. My old airport 15G told the instructors they could only make 15 dollars an hour to keep prices down. He didn't take a cut on the airplanes instead he screwed the CFI's working there.
 
Again who did you tell to grow up? James you know nothing about me nor my family. Yet when backed into a corner you want to make everything personal instead of staying on topic.

I still want a answer to my question. How can being a safety pilot like you did not be conidering being a scab under YOUR logic that since someone could get paid for doing it? Again that is your logic not mine because I see no fault in safety piloting.
 
Skypark rates are 20 primary and 25 advanced with the instructors taking 100%. Some more experienced instructors charge more. At least use facts if your going to turn this into a skypark bash like everything else.
 
jhugz said:
We have a glider club on the field that is very very active. They pay there pilots very well. What is 10 extra dollars on a tow for the pilot to be fairly compensated? This is just an excuse for the club to advertise cheaper prices on tows.

Here is a perfect example. My old airport 15G told the instructors they could only make 15 dollars an hour to keep prices down. He didn't take a cut on the airplanes instead he screwed the CFI's working there.
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That is very very suprising. Out of the dozens of clubs I have visited and flown at, I have never heard of that.
 
Do you not understand that purpose of a club. They are non-profit. So the members fly the tow plane to keep cost reasonable. The members who are A&P's work on the plane for free to keep it flying so they can continue to tow planes. Its a circle of give and take that allows them to do what they love cheaply. If your against that than you are against aviation. Its not taking jobs from anyone but instead its promoting aviation.
 
Jbroz04 said:
Do you not understand that purpose of a club. They are non-profit. So the members fly the tow plane to keep cost reasonable. The members who are A&P's work on the plane for free to keep it flying so they can continue to tow planes. Its a circle of give and take that allows them to do what they love cheaply. If your against that than you are against aviation. Its not taking jobs from anyone but instead its promoting aviation.
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:banghead::banghead::banghead:

Uhh, this thread is going no-where fast. Peace I'm out.

Flying for free is bad...mmmkkay.

If you do a job make sure you get compensated for it. That is all.
 
And for the record, to be a scab by definition, you have to have worked struck work, or have crossed an established picket line.

Scab is one of the worst "thrown around" terms out there in commercial aviation....
 
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