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There is a 6 page posting in the jobs section for aerial mapping, looks like the going rate is around 350/day plus 100 per diem. But since you arent taking full possession of an aircraft for the next 8 months I dont see where 200/day plus expenses is a bad price. Always go with the daily rate, cause from what I can tell you need alot of time on station in clear skys to get the job done. A 4 week gig could easily turn into 6 weeks if you get stuck on the ground weathered for a while, then your wasting a half a month with no pay.

Good luck!
 
There is a 6 page posting in the jobs section for aerial mapping, looks like the going rate is around 350/day plus 100 per diem. But since you arent taking full possession of an aircraft for the next 8 months I dont see where 200/day plus expenses is a bad price. Always go with the daily rate, cause from what I can tell you need alot of time on station in clear skys to get the job done. A 4 week gig could easily turn into 6 weeks if you get stuck on the ground weathered for a while, then your wasting a half a month with no pay.

Good luck!


Not sure where you are getting $350 a day. Most of the guys I know that do mapping in 172's make around $2k a month. Am I missing something?
 
It's laughable that some furloughed airline pilots are demanding more for one month of flying a single piston than they probably made in 6 months flying an RJ with 40 people in the back.
 
So we settled the pay, it's going to be a flat payment of $4900 based off 140 hours of flight time flying about 8 hours a day. I can finish the job as quickly as I want, obviously at the mercy of weather and MX. If I go over 140 hours I'm going to receive $35/hr flight hour until the job is completed. The only stipulation is, the contract has to be completed in 5 weeks.

Flying 8 hours a day, with a couple weather days thrown in, I think I can get it done in under 3 weeks. I think $4900 for that is pretty good.

I've also got my foot in the door now and depending on how this job goes he said he's got some more work for me.

Thanks for the discussion though guys.
 
It's laughable that some furloughed airline pilots are demanding more for one month of flying a single piston than they probably made in 6 months flying an RJ with 40 people in the back.

Why's that?

It being laughable that is. Because, if we're honest, we recognize that flying contract is significantly different than flying for a 121 operator where benefits are paid, paid time off is provided, training is paid for, hotels are covered, per diem is offered, and insurance is largely not an issue, oh and you don't have to manage the craft on your own. These differences require a different perspective when determining daily rates for compensation.

Those that make their living flying contract work take on a great deal more financial responsibility than any person working for a "company" does.

Not even talking about this example that the OP was asking about but in the broader context of operating as a contract pilot.

Oh, and since you didn't reference any single member by name I'll take this moment to disclose what I made during my 11 months and change at my company: $22,322.86
 
So we settled the pay, it's going to be a flat payment of $4900 based off 140 hours of flight time flying about 8 hours a day. I can finish the job as quickly as I want, obviously at the mercy of weather and MX. If I go over 140 hours I'm going to receive $35/hr flight hour until the job is completed. The only stipulation is, the contract has to be completed in 5 weeks.

Flying 8 hours a day, with a couple weather days thrown in, I think I can get it done in under 3 weeks. I think $4900 for that is pretty good.

I've also got my foot in the door now and depending on how this job goes he said he's got some more work for me.

Thanks for the discussion though guys.

Good for you. $4900 plus per diem and a great adventure! Be safe out there
 
So we settled the pay, it's going to be a flat payment of $4900 based off 140 hours of flight time flying about 8 hours a day. I can finish the job as quickly as I want, obviously at the mercy of weather and MX. If I go over 140 hours I'm going to receive $35/hr flight hour until the job is completed. The only stipulation is, the contract has to be completed in 5 weeks.

Flying 8 hours a day, with a couple weather days thrown in, I think I can get it done in under 3 weeks. I think $4900 for that is pretty good.

I've also got my foot in the door now and depending on how this job goes he said he's got some more work for me.

Thanks for the discussion though guys.

Congrats!!

Also post links where mapping is getting 350 p day with 100 per diem. Mapping on the space shuttle maybe but come on people.
 
Congrats!!

Also post links where mapping is getting 350 p day with 100 per diem. Mapping on the space shuttle maybe but come on people.

Doh! I was thinking 350/week not per day, sorry

Sounds like you got it all worked out. What happens if you dont meet the 5 week deadline?
 
Edit: As I thought about the $4,000 a month I forgot that you are really doing about two months worth of work in that month. So I agree, $4,000 a month is less than I would want, even if it is substantially higher than the other companies pay.


Alex.
That's better. :yup:

-mini
 
Day rate. At least 300 plus expenses sounds fair to me.

That's insane 207 pay. The top pay in the bush for the sled is about $220 per day if you're on a daily schedule. $150/day, plus $25 per flight hour is a very good 207 wage (I think that's what they pay at grant). Otherwise, $45 per flight hour is acceptable. $300/day is bush pay for the Caravan at Hageland if I'm not mistaken.
 
So we settled the pay, it's going to be a flat payment of $4900 based off 140 hours of flight time flying about 8 hours a day. I can finish the job as quickly as I want, obviously at the mercy of weather and MX. If I go over 140 hours I'm going to receive $35/hr flight hour until the job is completed. The only stipulation is, the contract has to be completed in 5 weeks.

Congrats! Sounds like it should be some fun work! Pay sounds pretty fair too - should be enough to hold you over til the next gig.
 
That's insane 207 pay. The top pay in the bush for the sled is about $220 per day if you're on a daily schedule. $150/day, plus $25 per flight hour is a very good 207 wage (I think that's what they pay at grant).

This was a lot of hours, and going cross-country twice at 140kts..

Besides, by your math - isn't 25/flight hour + 150/day @ 8 hours exactly $350/day?

Anyway - sounds like it worked out well.
 
It's laughable that some furloughed airline pilots are demanding more for one month of flying a single piston than they probably made in 6 months flying an RJ with 40 people in the back.

I'll make more than he will this month with 17 days off. And full bene's. And I'm an FO...and get an F/A to get me my diet cokes and an APU to keep me cool. Life is good...until US Air shuts down.
 
Why's that?

It being laughable that is. Because, if we're honest, we recognize that flying contract is significantly different than flying for a 121 operator where benefits are paid, paid time off is provided, training is paid for, hotels are covered, per diem is offered, and insurance is largely not an issue, oh and you don't have to manage the craft on your own. These differences require a different perspective when determining daily rates for compensation.

Those that make their living flying contract work take on a great deal more financial responsibility than any person working for a "company" does.

Not even talking about this example that the OP was asking about but in the broader context of operating as a contract pilot.

Oh, and since you didn't reference any single member by name I'll take this moment to disclose what I made during my 11 months and change at my company: $22,322.86


First, a pilot is a pilot, pure and simple. You either fly airplanes for a living, or you don't. The "bene's" you get at ASA or wherever you work, are just that, benefits. They are not pay. Saying you are paid in "benefits" is like saying slaves got paid in food and housing. Whether you realize it or not, the captain is managing the aircraft, he signs off the flight release, he has final authority over airworthiness, and if its broke, he doesn't fly it until its fixed. The only difference is that and this guy, is if TrustMeI'mAPilot sees something broke, he calls up the local shop and has them fix it, which, btw, he's not paying for. If the captain sees something broke, he calls up mx and they fix it. Same game, different name.

As for the second, that's a very poor wage for 11 months of work. I made about $38k last year while changing jobs (which essentially resulted in about a month off for training and the like). I'll probably do about the same this year and I changed jobs again (had to change colleges, otherwise I'd have made at least $45-50k at my old gig). The stuff I'm doing isn't "hardcore bush flying" either, I'm not risking life and limb every day I go in. It's just 135. I lack benes (which is somewhat of an issue) but even if I had to pay for my own insurance (I'm on a family plan) I'd still wouldn't pay more than $6,000 per year. $38k-$6k = $32k. $32,000 > $25,000. The only bene that you really got more than I did is CASS, and even then I still got nonrev on Alaska, and several others at my old job, and ID-90s for a nominal fee here (don't know what the fee is, but it isn't much).

To be honest, even when I was a co-pilot at ACE I would have made more money than $25,000 per year. As a copilot there, I made $25/hr flight, and about 1200-1300hrs per year. Home every night (literally every night). Ace also had a full benefits package, 401K matching, and several other "benes." ACE also had quick upgrade for everyone who was eligible for ATPs (I was not, I had to wait 3 years or so because of ATP age restrictions, and pay stays the same, so I left, though I still would have made more than a lot of t-prop FOs). My buddies who were older and got there at essentially the same time, about 1 month before, are already captains. They're making $50/hr, at 1200hrs per year. Do the math.

I'm sorry, but I don't care how you write it out, or make it appear, $25000 per year sucks. I don't care what experience you got doing it, it wasn't worth pay that low. That's so low, its not even "paying your dues low." That's wild. How can you, or anyone else for that matter, stand up and tell people to better the industry, better themselves, and that they shouldn't sell themselves short, when you made roughly half of my yearly salary to fly an airplane that's way more complex and has way more people in the back. Even captains wages at ASA suck when you think about it, the newest captain (if he's still on 3rd year pay) there is making only $62/hr. To be responsible for what does the CRJ200 have, 40 seats? That's probably about $70k per year after per diem and the like. What should he really be making? I'd argue at least $80/year, probably more like $90.
 
This was a lot of hours, and going cross-country twice at 140kts..

Besides, by your math - isn't 25/flight hour + 150/day @ 8 hours exactly $350/day?

Anyway - sounds like it worked out well.

8hrs a day is a lot of flying, so yeah, that would be in line. I agree.
 
...I'm sorry, but I don't care how you write it out, or make it appear, $25000 per year sucks. I don't care what experience you got doing it, it wasn't worth pay that low. That's so low, its not even "paying your dues low." That's wild. How can you, or anyone else for that matter, stand up and tell people to better the industry, better themselves, and that they shouldn't sell themselves short, when you made roughly half of my yearly salary to fly an airplane that's way more complex and has way more people in the back. Even captains wages at ASA suck when you think about it, the newest captain (if he's still on 3rd year pay) there is making only $62/hr. To be responsible for what does the CRJ200 have, 40 seats? That's probably about $70k per year after per diem and the like. What should he really be making? I'd argue at least $80/year, probably more like $90....

But But But We got an SIC Circle to Land VMC Only rating too!!! :D

I think everyone will agree that 25K is way too low but unfortunately right now that is the entry level wage if you want to start flying in a 121 environment. I hate to say it but I don't think too many people go from a 207 to a major airline or from a 207 to making 6 figures. Although I admit I could be wrong, I don't know that much about 135 cargo ops. Same with instructing, I made 27 per hr. my last few months of instructing. Just because I made a bit more cash didn't mean I was going to remain an instructor flying a 152 around for the rest of my life. If thats your thing then good for you but like I said earlier flying a 207 or Instructing maybe a bit better paying than a 1st year regional FO but you are comparing an entry level FO to a relatively senior Flight Instructor or 135 pilot. I haven't heard of too many people putting 2 kids through college flying a 207. We all need to fight to make regional wages better but I don't see flying 135 cargo and 121 airline ops as being the same by the farthest stretch of the imagination. I maybe digging myself a whole with this because I am assuming but at my airline a 13 year (Regional) Captain will break 100K a year what would a 13 year 207 pilot make?
 
That is $9000 for the month, I think that is a little steep. I'd want $4000 for the month, plus expenses.

Alex.

Ah forget it.

Why's that?

It being laughable that is. Because, if we're honest, we recognize that flying contract is significantly different than flying for a 121 operator where benefits are paid, paid time off is provided, training is paid for, hotels are covered, per diem is offered, and insurance is largely not an issue, oh and you don't have to manage the craft on your own. These differences require a different perspective when determining daily rates for compensation.

Those that make their living flying contract work take on a great deal more financial responsibility than any person working for a "company" does.

Not even talking about this example that the OP was asking about but in the broader context of operating as a contract pilot.

Oh, and since you didn't reference any single member by name I'll take this moment to disclose what I made during my 11 months and change at my company: $22,322.86


$9k, which is 37% of your yearly salary as a regional FO, in one month. It is just amazing that you guys will fly regionals for cheeseburgers, but jump someone's neck for taking a contract flying a small aircraft for close to 3x your monthly salary at a passenger carrying operation, because they are "lowering the bar." LOL

After this post, I am done with the thread. Just thought it was an interesting observation.


But But But We got an SIC Circle to Land VMC Only rating too!!! :D

I think everyone will agree that 25K is way too low but unfortunately right now that is the entry level wage if you want to start flying in a 121 environment. I hate to say it but I don't think too many people go from a 207 to a major airline or from a 207 to making 6 figures.

That's fine...Just don't jump down someone's throat for "lowering the bar" for making more money than that, flying smaller aircraft, in a non-passenger carrying op. That is my only gripe. :)
 
obviously a little late to the discussion, but 2 points:

TMIAP - good job in settling on a reasonable rate. Good luck and have fun.

$9k? Seriously? I would laugh at the pilot asking for that and say thanks have a nice day. When I flew survey with the exact same responsibilities i was paid about $30/hr + $75 per diem for food, all other expenses (hotel, transportation) covered.

Thats about $4800/mo. TMIAP had his head on straight when negotiating.
 
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