TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
Definitely.
Maybe we need 2 training events or more per year for FO's to make sure they stay fresh with call outs and procedures. Remember how it is to go around for the first time in the sim after 6 months without doing it?
"This company [Colgan] treats me like crap..."
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Definitely.
Maybe we need 2 training events or more per year for FO's to make sure they stay fresh with call outs and procedures. Remember how it is to go around for the first time in the sim after 6 months without doing it?
Potentially. Would've been a good start.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Amen
BajtheJino
I'm looking at you.
I didn't go to work at a bottom feeder, low balling airline.
Have you worked anywhere longer than a year?
FAIL!
So by not doing something, that's your solution? :dunno:
I am sure that at some point in time, all places have not been THE place to work, but people still went there. How did it get better? By those people willing to do something and make a change for the better.
BajtheJino
I'm looking at you.
But this goes back to the choices we all faced-especially the ones that went there in the hiring boom of years past. I had a choice. Go to work someplace that pays good, has a good qol, benefits and whatnot.
If you go to work someplace thats crap what your telling the company is that you're crap. You'll do anything for whatever crap they offer you.
By not going to work there I did make things a little better. Call it a single grain of sand on a beach.
I didn't go to work for a p.o.s. company and make it my lifes work to make it better after the hiring stopped and realized I was stuck. Lets be honest here. Why did anyone go to work at said airline? I can understand if your based in your home town and live where you grew up or where your family and friends are but how many people does this cover? Rapid upgrade and hiring after that were the reasons. To me this reaffirmed to mgt. that what they push is acceptable. No one had to go to work there then regardless of what the situation with furlough and downgrade industry wide is today.
If there weren't so many people employed at said airline on this forum would this airline be viewed so favorable when the facts argue against? Union or not?
If you go to work someplace thats crap what your telling the company is that you're crap. You'll do anything for whatever crap they offer you.
By not going to work there I did make things a little better. Call it a single grain of sand on a beach.
I didn't go to work for a p.o.s. company and make it my lifes work to make it better after the hiring stopped and realized I was stuck. Lets be honest here. Why did anyone go to work at said airline? I can understand if your based in your home town and live where you grew up or where your family and friends are but how many people does this cover? Rapid upgrade and hiring after that were the reasons. To me this reaffirmed to mgt. that what they push is acceptable. No one had to go to work there then regardless of what the situation with furlough and downgrade industry wide is today.
If there weren't so many people employed at said airline on this forum would this airline be viewed so favorable when the facts argue against? Union or not?
ehh, I wouldn't say that the people I know that work there are Crap. As for the others? Can't really say as I don't know them.
Again, the people I know that work there have been trying to make it better even when they were hiring. I doubt they doing it because they are 'feeling' stuck.
Well I am sure there are people here that don't view them as favorable, as witnessed by your comments (which you are entitled to). If these people that are employed there were not members of JC I cannot say how Colgan would be viewed. The reason for that would be the information that they have been able to provide just wouldn't be there. People would have to make a decision without all of the information.
BajtheJino
I'm looking at you.
R
Roger, Roger
Guest
I find it ironic that he went to Gulfstream...then turned down the preferential interview with Pinnacle because they didn't pay during training.
FAIL.
FAIL.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Then, you've got people that think it's great to give the above three guys crap because they were able to bring a union on property. An act in which they hope will improve conditions for their workplace.
Thanks for your input.
ALPA has done more in here, in less than a year, to work toward improvements and raising the bar....than anything done in the last 5 (probably since Colgan's beginning, actually) without ALPA. But go ahead and continue w/ your miserable little jabs.....'cause you think you know everything. Thanks for your opinion, but we're not interested!
It actually doesn't even appear to be input. Just rather another quick jab without any substance.
Where was the dissenting opinion? I saw no opinion in Lloyd's post regarding Colgan and ALPA. Just some quick claim, highly sarcastic I might add, that simply because the company has a union now everything will be taken care of. Those of us who have seen these post from Lloyd before know it's not about providing an opinion.
Which, gets back, if someone is actually going to provide an opinion and some substance that's one thing - but you're going to have trouble convincing some very hard working men and women that what he said was even an opinion.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
I can tell you what would happen with those issues at Pinnacle. You would be told "If you have a problem call XXXX." If it's an operational issue, you'd call the Duty Pilot. If it's a contractual issue, it's the Duty Manager. At least 2/3rds of the time, the Duty Pilot happens to be a management guy. Guess which way that's gonna get pushed? 100% of the time the duty manager is a management representative (normally a base manager or assistant base manager) that may or may not know the CBA. Guess which way THAT gets pushed?
What's sad is a lot of our guys (myself included) will play the "Fine. Miss trip me or give me a not available for flight. I'll take it up with the base manager with a union rep at the carpet dance later" rather than fight it out for hours knowing it'll be a "Whaaa? What do you mean you can't fly that? It's legal....well, it's sorta legal."
We got a memo last week saying deferred APUs weren't a safety concern, yet right in our FOM it says above a certain temp for X amount of time it IS. Well, it's normally above that temp for two months in MEM, and the time allowed is the normal taxi time.
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
The responce to them has been underwhelming at best. Fans or not the only ones who seem to care is express jet. 80% of the cal guys Ive talked to either don't know who we are( pre 3407) or seem to like the increase in seats as the commute is easier. I would say if any of the cal guys have an issue with us they have never said anything to my face. Maybe because they came from places like this, or maybe because they are so pissed off with their own issues that they don't care about the regional shuffle.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Our union guys were pretty good about telling us who to call first.
If we had a scheduling issue, call the scheduling chairman before contacting the company. 1) That saves a pilot making themselves look like an idiot because they didn't understand the CBA, and 2) It would also save a pilot from having to directly communicate with a company representative if there was an issue. The issue, whatever it was, would be handled immediately by our scheduling chairman. He'd get a decision, and then the pilot would be contacted by him and a company representative telling him the end outcome.
Kept the peace, and kept the company and pilots in check.
If we had a scheduling issue, call the scheduling chairman before contacting the company. 1) That saves a pilot making themselves look like an idiot because they didn't understand the CBA, and 2) It would also save a pilot from having to directly communicate with a company representative if there was an issue. The issue, whatever it was, would be handled immediately by our scheduling chairman. He'd get a decision, and then the pilot would be contacted by him and a company representative telling him the end outcome.
Kept the peace, and kept the company and pilots in check.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
I wish it were that way here. Unfortunately, I think our scheduling chair is in cahoots with the company based on some of his answers, and our contract compliance guys are so swamped with calls, e-mails or whatever it takes forever for them to get back to you.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
A shame man, absolute shame.
deadstick
Well-Known Member
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
You guys are in the middle of negotiations too right?
And the FOM is approved by the FAA?
Sounds like a safety of flight issue to me. These documents are approved for a very specific reason, to protect our passengers - not our companies. Might be time to protect them.
My comments had nothing to do with what Lloyd posted, simply with the response generated which was, paraphrased, "keep your opinion to yourself". All of my comments were based off of that and have nothing to do with whether the original post had any worthwhile content or not.
I'm trying to work the big picture of how the website operates. You guys can discuss the details all you want as long as everyone realizes that the smart move is to debate ideas, not slam people.
Let me quote myself in a PM that I just sent another member (unrelated topic):
Big picture stuff.
Windchill
Well-Known Member
What role does the Pilot have to make a command decision if/when the copilot is making references to really not feeling well to the point she would ordinarily not go to work? Is he in a position/have a responsibility to declare her unfit to fly and to find a replacement?
*Disclaimer* This is not a rhetorical question where I am trying to make a point. I'm just a private pilot wondering about the procedures involved in a situation like this.
*Disclaimer* This is not a rhetorical question where I am trying to make a point. I'm just a private pilot wondering about the procedures involved in a situation like this.