"This company [Colgan] treats me like crap..."

I hate to pass undue blame, but the conversation with scheduling would have been the same had she been employed as a pilot by the brand that she flew for.
 
And yet people are still falling over each other to get their resumes into Colgan... :drool:

If you were airline management would you increase the QOL and pay at your airline if you had people lining up to work for the current wages and conditions? I don't think so. Give them a reason to make the airline a better place to work.

They [Colgan] say they are looking for people with over 2000TT to hire into their upcoming classes so they can be able to uprade in ~1year. Did we not learn ANYTHING from 3407??
 
ClearedToThe said:
And yet people are still falling over each other to get their resumes into Colgan... :drool:

If you were airline management would you increase the QOL and pay at your airline if you had people lining up to work for the current wages and conditions? I don't think so. Give them a reason to make the airline a better place to work.

They [Colgan] say they are looking for people with over 2000TT to hire into their upcoming classes so they can be able to uprade in ~1year. Did we not learn ANYTHING from 3407??
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:whip:

Let me know if you guys want to come over and grill some hot dogs and drink Canadian Club on my last night at LAFIA HQ.
 
OldTownPilot said:
I hate to pass undue blame, but the conversation with scheduling would have been the same had she been employed as a pilot by the brand that she flew for.
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I think it would have been the same conversation she'd have at pretty much all US Airlines. Well, maybe minus two or three (two which fly boxes).

I will say this: I fly at a GREAT regional airline. I am very happy here. However, there are times I feel that I'm treated unfairly, I'm fatigued, or that I'm pressured and uncomfortable. It's things we deal with in this job... Whether you work at Southwest, UPS, FedEx, Delta, American, or Colgan. The key is feeling comfortable combating them. Here, I feel comfortable expressing my concerns and discontent without being fired. Other airlines, not so much.

Last night I had to deal with major operational pressures from the following:

  • Scheduling
  • Dispatch
  • Maintenance
  • Gate Agents
  • Operations
  • ATC
In all cases, I felt comfortable enough I could express my concerns and I knew they would be addressed, without me being unprofessional. Would that be the same at other companies?
 
FlyChicaga said:
I think it would have been the same conversation she'd have at pretty much all US Airlines. Well, maybe minus two or three (two which fly boxes).
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I think there is more then just two or three.
I don't think I work for a top airline but my two sick calls were no big thing. Just stop by the CP office to tell them I self cleared myself for work. No note, nothing more then telling them I was good to go. A few time CS would add a turn on the end of my trip if I didn't think it was a good idea I would call them and most of the time they would just take it off so I wouldn't have to fatigue on them.
 
ClearedToThe said:
And yet people are still falling over each other to get their resumes into Colgan... :drool:
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And she was willing to put up with:

  • Less than 18k a year
  • Cross Country Commute
  • Bad Scheduling
  • All the other BS that comes with being a pilot

What, exactly, is the upside here?
 
FlyChicaga said:
I think it would have been the same conversation she'd have at pretty much all US Airlines. Well, maybe minus two or three (two which fly boxes).

I will say this: I fly at a GREAT regional airline. I am very happy here. However, there are times I feel that I'm treated unfairly, I'm fatigued, or that I'm pressured and uncomfortable. It's things we deal with in this job... Whether you work at Southwest, UPS, FedEx, Delta, American, or Colgan. The key is feeling comfortable combating them. Here, I feel comfortable expressing my concerns and discontent without being fired. Other airlines, not so much.

Last night I had to deal with major operational pressures from the following:

  • Scheduling
  • Dispatch
  • Maintenance
  • Gate Agents
  • Operations
  • ATC
In all cases, I felt comfortable enough I could express my concerns and I knew they would be addressed, without me being unprofessional. Would that be the same at other companies?
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You're fired.
 
At one time airlines valued things they do not value today. Deregulation is the reason. Not trying to make something sinister out of deregulation just tracing the current situation back to the root. In 1978 deregulation put the airlines on a path that resulted in positive and negative consequences.

Pilots will never be valued in the way they were. That boat has sailed. Many chase a vision of a bygone era that no longer exists. When they arrive they ask "Is this it? Is this all there is?" "Where is the money?(gone)" "Where is the time off?(gone)" "Where is the free travel?(oversold)" "Where is my fancy house?(you get a crash pad or RV in the lot)" "Where are all the toys?"

The cold hard reality is the airlines have demonstrated they will not pay for experience or credentials. They will dumb down the training; Accept the FAA mins; Add technology to the airplane; Rewrite the FOM every month to add supervision where judgement and decision making once carried the day.

The end result will be an acceptable loss rate. This is a liability payout that is less than the cost of hiring and retaining an experience level above the minimum. As long as the insurance underwriters keep writing the checks the airlines shrug their shoulders and put out a 10k stating "The crash will have no material impact on the company"

It's not going to change so don't expect it to change.

38 years of hard work by AIRCON will not be undone by one commuter hull loss. Not a chance.

www.aircon.org
 
seaav8tor said:
It's not going to change so don't expect it to change.

38 years of hard work by AIRCON will not be undone by one commuter hull loss. Not a chance.

www.aircon.org
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I completely disagree with that statement.

I am attending some meetings this week that are focusing on change. The pendulum is shifting back to the people sitting behind the controls of the aircraft, not those sitting behind a desk.
 
mojo6911 said:
And she was willing to put up with:

  • Less than 18k a year
  • Cross Country Commute
  • Bad Scheduling
  • All the other BS that comes with being a pilot

What, exactly, is the upside here?
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The ONLY upside I can see...one that people will put up with, that shuts everyone up is...Potential quick upgrade.
 
CrippleHawk said:
It's not just Colgan
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Correct.

But no single raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood either... It has got to start somewhere and with the media eye on Colgan right now they are the best airline to start getting the ball rolling for a better working enviroment.

How ridiculous do all these NTSB hearings and congressional pushes for safer skies and better working conditions look when you have people that are dying to get their applications into Colgan after all that has been publicly exposed about them??
 
ClearedToThe said:
Correct.

But no single raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood either... It has got to start somewhere and with the media eye on Colgan right now they are the best airline to start getting the ball rolling for a better working enviroment.

How ridiculous do all these NTSB hearings and congressional pushes for safer skies and better working conditions look when you have people that are dying to get their applications into Colgan after all that has been publicly exposed about them??
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You'll always have it that way. If Colgan somehow scored the greatest contract any regional has ever seen, they'll simply be undercut by the next cheapest regional and the Colgan guys will hit the streets. As noble an idea as it is, we won't see it happen. We see it every day when we go to work (I think you, amd87 and myself might possibly work at the same place...). You could argue that anyone who has gone to a regional in the last 5yrs is to blame, and anybody who is willing to work for any regional with their current contract is to blame.
 
etflies said:
You could argue that anyone who has gone to a regional in the last 5yrs is to blame, and anybody who is willing to work for any regional with their current contract is to blame.
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I think there are still a few regionals working under good contracts that are 5 or more years old.
 
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