Southwest 1st Day at LGA a failure
- Thread starter SmitteyB
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Good story.
OldTownPilot
Well-Known Member
Now, how the heck do you do that on a 1 hour flight in the beech?
An hour crossing the pond is easy, especially with a little extra go juice and a commuting flight that leaves 5 minutes before your flight was scheduled to get in.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
It was a repo from BOS to LGA, they blocked it at about 1:55 not knowing any better. Took off on the 22's in BOS landed on 22 in LGA, early in the AM no delays.
Still an hour early!
JPilot9
Well-Known Member
Pad it to pimp that on-time percentage!
Pretty much DT - How else can anyone give Hawaiian a run?!
planestupid
New Member
Why can I not find an ASRS report on this incident?
You would think one would have been filed, if ATC had questioned them and they screwed the pooch?
Did anyone here actually witness this first hand or is it hearsay?
If anyone can help with the ASRS or finding another incident report, I would appreciate it as it would make for an interesting read.
You would think one would have been filed, if ATC had questioned them and they screwed the pooch?
Did anyone here actually witness this first hand or is it hearsay?
If anyone can help with the ASRS or finding another incident report, I would appreciate it as it would make for an interesting read.
planestupid
New Member
The FA waited till the aircraft got up to that speed to do her walk-through? WTF was she doing as the aircraft left the ramp?
Sounds like both pilot and FA are to blame. Stupidity on both ends really. Moving around the cabin while the aircraft is underway is not a good idea, period.
And....... What happened to FAR 121.391? (Aircraft moving under it's own power)
Unless the FA is doing something that is directly related to the safety or the aircraft, crew or pax, they must remain seated with seatbelts fastened.
Read this:
http://www.flightsafety.org/ccs/ccs_sept-oct01.pdf
planestupid
New Member
Hmph. Would it be possible to get this info directly from SWA? I mean they are a public company right? Shouldn't the general public be able to access this info?
I'm not trying to create or inject doubt this ever happened, but as a pilot I like to read the actual reports. So when I can't find one it's somewhat frustrating.
But I do have to wonder if things get blown out of proportion too sometimes.
Thanks for the info though.
joliet
New Member
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Ummm? What? You do realize that often times the FAs are up doing their safety demo and cabin checks until just before the plane gets to the runway right? In fact, if it's a short taxi (or a slow FA) I've had to tell tower we weren't ready yet because were still had our FAs working on the safety demo.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
The purpose of ASAP isn't supposed to be a CYA issue, it's a voluntary reporting program that's kept anonymous in order to encourage people to report issues to spot trends that are happening. Start making it available to everyone, and the number of reports is gonna drop. It'll be harder to spot trends, nothing will get changed, and that defeats the purpose of ASAP. I know at my company, we've had a lot of things changed for the better thanks to ASAP.
planestupid
New Member
I've heard a lot of good things about ASAP, but I'm guessing unless your airline or operation participates and shares the info with each other, the rest of us in the aviation world are kept in the dark.
Some may see my last comments about this info being available to the public as being liberal? Well, no. Although if a company is publicly held, I would think share holders would have a right to this info. But I digress.
Why is this info not available in a stripped down format? Only include where the event happened, type aircraft etc. Too similar to ASRS?
BTW, is it true Flightdata Recorder info is used in ASAP?
planestupid
New Member
Heya Bob,
Oh I know sometimes FAs are up doing their safety demo and cabin checks during the taxi. But it is unsafe. Yes those things are exempt from the regs because these duties are directly related to the safety of the aircraft and it's occupants.
But hey, think about this. Since 121 guys start getting paid when they push from the gate, guys could push, pull over off a side taxiway, let the FA's do the safety demo etc, and then start the taxi.
I know seriously that wouldn't work, but it'd be a way to add to those slow taxi times $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I better put my flame suit on.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Heya Bob,
Oh I know sometimes FAs are up doing their safety demo and cabin checks during the taxi. But it is unsafe. Yes those things are exempt from the regs because these duties are directly related to the safety of the aircraft and it's occupants.
But hey, think about this. Since 121 guys start getting paid when they push from the gate, guys could push, pull over off a side taxiway, let the FA's do the safety demo etc, and then start the taxi.
I know seriously that wouldn't work, but it'd be a way to add to those slow taxi times $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I better put my flame suit on.
You're not a part 121 pilot eh? I mean I guess you've already stated that, but what I'm trying to hammer home is that you're not really in tune with the nuances of part 121 operations because of your lack of experience with them.
Trying to be a hero and correct operations you have no experience with makes you end up looking like a troll kinda quickly eh? Just something you may want to consider in your approach.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Sounds like you're speaking about things you don't understand.
ALPA works very hard to make sure you can't get the data. It is for internal and FAA use only.
ALPA would refuse to participate in ASAP programs if the data was available publicly. You would lose a huge safety program if you tried to force this issue. Bad idea.
FDR data is usually protected in pilot contracts and the company can't use it against us. Most carriers that have ASAP also have FOQA, which is a safety program that de-identifies all FDR data and tracks trends to improve safety. The company is never able to find out which crew was involved in any incident found on the FDR from FOQA.
Heya Bob,
Oh I know sometimes FAs are up doing their safety demo and cabin checks during the taxi. But it is unsafe. Yes those things are exempt from the regs because these duties are directly related to the safety of the aircraft and it's occupants.
But hey, think about this. Since 121 guys start getting paid when they push from the gate, guys could push, pull over off a side taxiway, let the FA's do the safety demo etc, and then start the taxi.
I know seriously that wouldn't work, but it'd be a way to add to those slow taxi times $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I better put my flame suit on.
:banghead:
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Have you ever seen LGA? There is no such thing as a side taxiway. And besides, passengers have connections to make. Sort of silly to go sit and make them all blow their connections.
I am the last person to call somebody out because they aren't in the industry and therefore have no clue as to what they are talking about, but, as Jtrain said... You really don't understand how a 121 op works.
planestupid
New Member
So is 121 dive and drive?
No guys come on. I'm posting opinion. It is simply that, not much else. I do believe it is not smart for anyone, FA or otherwise, to be moving about the cabin while it is manuevering on the ground.
And of course take my pulling off to the side remark in the light of humor. Jeez guys.. what happens when you go to work for a 121 operator? It's like you become too serious. :insane:
Anyway, thanks for the replies to my posts. It is always nice to engage in civil conversation.
Blue Skies!
No guys come on. I'm posting opinion. It is simply that, not much else. I do believe it is not smart for anyone, FA or otherwise, to be moving about the cabin while it is manuevering on the ground.
And of course take my pulling off to the side remark in the light of humor. Jeez guys.. what happens when you go to work for a 121 operator? It's like you become too serious. :insane:
Anyway, thanks for the replies to my posts. It is always nice to engage in civil conversation.
Blue Skies!
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Yeah unfortunately we lose our sense of humor sometimes. Trust me, if we could hear the inflection in ur voice it would be different. Throw a sarcasm tag up there it'll help in the future.
Oh, don't worry about the FAs, they can take care of themselves. Think Seggy with a dress. Now, THAT was a joke!