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I really have to laugh... one of the most profitable airlines ever in existence, which treats it employees with respect, and everyone loves calling out their mistakes. It seems like jealousy to me. But I digress.

About the ATC favoritism... I wish I could find the post, but a controller on another forum actually admitted that he does in fact give priority to SWA when he can. Why? Because "SWA always will turn right when I ask them, and they normally don't complain when I need a tight turn or them to slow 'immediately'."

When I was flying for the ExpressJet branded operation, and at my previous company, I also experienced this "favoritism." It was only because our crews always did what they could to do what ATC needed, as long as it did not violate safety, the regulations, or make our customers uncomfortable. I remember landing in MDW, and behind us was an NWA DC-9. ATC said to us, "Please plan to exit at Papa." We did without complaint, because we knew the DC-9 was close behind us. ATC also advised NWA, "Northwest 123, please plan to exit at Papa." Their response? "We'll exit where we please SIR."

Now if you were ATC, which company would you give priority to in the future?

It is what it is. I don't view it as violating safety. Never in all the times I've jumpseated in the cockpit of an SWA jet have I witnessed a crew violating safety. I have witnessed crews realizing that "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" works wonders. Go figure...

Sshhhhh! Don't be nice to other pilots, it gets contagous(sp?)
 
You guys are nutso! SWA is ever bit of the pilots as the rest of us. They fly into the same busy airports that you fly into. It just sounds like hater'ism to me! How about you do your thing and let them do their thing!


note the time.
 
Meanwhile an AA MD80 is moving about the same speed as an old man with a walker, and they have to wait till the end of the line.
I noticed that in AUS, the AA MD80s were all taxiing about half speed for whatever reason and of course WN was going double speed. AUS ground would just put the MD80s on a separate parallel taxiway so everyone else could zip around em.

My question is, is it a union dispute or something?
 
Honestly, it's so far out of my airspace, I have no idea. All I know is SPKER from PXV west you'll easily get it, LTOWN or WLDER, memphis pitches a fit.

Probably b/c of spacing issues. On busy days, we'll normally get slowed between BNA/BWG/PXV and LTOWN.
 
I noticed that in AUS, the AA MD80s were all taxiing about half speed for whatever reason and of course WN was going double speed. AUS ground would just put the MD80s on a separate parallel taxiway so everyone else could zip around em.

My question is, is it a union dispute or something?

It's called the Crandall Crawl.
 
You guys are nutso! SWA is ever bit of the pilots as the rest of us. They fly into the same busy airports that you fly into. It just sounds like hater'ism to me! How about you do your thing and let them do their thing!


note the time.

Their Haterade glasses are full!

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You guys are nutso! SWA is ever bit of the pilots as the rest of us. They fly into the same busy airports that you fly into. It just sounds like hater'ism to me! How about you do your thing and let them do their thing!


note the time.


The fact is most of the pilots bitching about SWA would give their left one to work there. Then come on here explaing how they dont get "special treatment".

This is one of the most comical threads I've seen.
 
I think in PHL the SWA guys use the "Min fuel" as some sort of SWA/ATC code word for let us get in first.... Never fails that during a hold at BUNTS you will hear at least one SWA guy who is just entering the hold declare to threaten to declare min fuel.... :) I have a hard time thinking, that all of them truely are that low... But I could be wrong.

IF ATC is giving preferential due to someone calling 'min fuel' then the fault is with ATC. 'min fuel' gets you zip in handling. "emergency fuel' sends you to the front of the line but don't plan on calling it often and don't do it without first having called 'min fuel'. One carrier was routinely calling min and then emerg fuel going into a major airport in the NW and the FAA said, "keep it up and you're going to pay.' It stopped.
 
What's the reason for ATC favoring SWA?
10) they like the snappy leather jackets
9) they like the pleasing colors on the airplane
8) they believe 'you're free to move about the country' ads.
7) they like the jargon the SWA pilots use
6) Herb sends them a carton of Marlboros each month
5) Herb sends them a case of Wild Turkey at Thanksgiving
4) Occasionally the SW FAs drop by the center and do the evacuation demonstration
3) they like listening to the other airlines whine
2) SW will do 190 to the marker
And number one reason ATC favors Southwest...
It's not that they like SW and favor them. They just hate everyone else.

:D

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I noticed that in AUS, the AA MD80s were all taxiing about half speed for whatever reason and of course WN was going double speed. AUS ground would just put the MD80s on a separate parallel taxiway so everyone else could zip around em.

My question is, is it a union dispute or something?

No, it's a safety issue or something. Taxiing around at 40 knots is blatantly unsafe, and I'd love to see the day that the FAA cracks down on SWA for it.
 
No, it's a safety issue or something. Taxiing around at 40 knots is blatantly unsafe, and I'd love to see the day that the FAA cracks down on SWA for it.


Because they aren't ALPA, am i right?

:rotfl::rotfl::bandit::bandit::rotfl::rotfl:
 
No, it's a safety issue or something. Taxiing around at 40 knots is blatantly unsafe, and I'd love to see the day that the FAA cracks down on SWA for it.

I've flown out of DAL quite a bit and have NEVER seen taxing at an unsafe speed. In fact most of the time they are going slow enough that both crew members wave at me when they go by.

Shame on them for enjoying their gig!!
 
Taxiing around at 40 knots is blatantly unsafe,

Not quite. As with all things in aviation the answer is "it depends".

Skidding around a corner in the ramp area at that speed is unsafe. However getting some momentum when you have two miles of straightaway is prefectly reasonable.

My problem is that some pilots seem to make no distinction between the two.
 
Not quite. As with all things in aviation the answer is "it depends".

Skidding around a corner in the ramp area at that speed is unsafe. However getting some momentum when you have two miles of straightaway is prefectly reasonable.

My problem is that some pilots seem to make no distinction between the two.

Nope, still unsafe. I represented a pilot at Pinnacle who was called in to the office for discipline because he injured a flight attendant after slamming on the brakes during taxi. He was on a very long straightaway that parallels runway 22L in DTW. According to the FO, he got it up to about 40-45 knots. A Spirit plane was holding short of the taxiway waiting for the Pinnacle plane to pass. ATC made a mistake and told the Spirit plane to join the parallel and taxi to the runway. Thinking that the Pinnacle guy would stop, the Spirit plane started to taxi and pulled out onto the parallel. Unfortunately, the Pinnacle plane was moving too fast and he didn't hear the direction to follow Spirit. When the Spirit plane started to pull forward, the Pinnacle Captain had to slam on the brakes to prevent a collision. The FA was doing her walk through and was picked up off her feet and thrown backwards when he slammed on the brakes. She was injured as a result, thankfully not too seriously. The Captain got to do a serious carpet dance, and I had to beg and plead to keep the guy from getting suspended.

Fast taxiing is dangerous. Keep the speed under 20 knots.
 
The only problem with taxiing too fast is that if you have a taxiway incursion, you probably don't have the time to stop. Lots of folks blow taxi instructions and jet aircraft don't have the best brakes on earth.

No, I'm not a Southwest basher, they're a good airline, but no I'm not dying to work there or have any interest because they don't do the flying that I want to do.
 
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