Continental pilot dies in flight

Unfortunately these things run deep with some people, can you imagine holding this kind of grudge so long. I've seen how it damages the grudgeholder. This is a terrible example of how the honorable act of fighting the good fight can morph into a bitter and dehumanizing attitude.

My father was a firefighter in Sacramento City during the stike of 1970. He was a goon during the strike... one of the guys who intimidate folks who cross picket lines.

His friend was a scab. He actually held his paycheck up in the window while his fellow (I won't say brother) firefighters picketed outside. Dispicible behavior.

After the strike (which made national headlines) my father repaired his relationship with his freind and started the S and G Painting company (for Scab and Goon)

Other firefighters could not believe that my dad would remain freinds with a scab, but some of those guys held painful grudges for the rest of their career, while my father was able to put the painful episode behind and move on in a better frame of mind.

I do not believe we should reward the dishonorable behavior of a scab, but to allow ourselves to be dehumanized only hurts us in the long run.
 
mrivc211 said:
CA: The CO captain that died turned out to be a scab.

FO: He was?

CA: Yup.

FO: Well then he got what was coming to him.
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From "Unforgiven"

The Schofield Kid: [after killing a man for the first time] It don't seem real... how he ain't gonna never breathe again, ever... how he's dead. And the other one too. All on account of pulling a trigger.
Will Munny: It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.
The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess they had it coming.
Will Munny: We all got it coming, kid.
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mrivc211 said:
This is a conversation I observed between the FO and CA in the jumpseat last night on a mainline legacy B757 on the way home from my commute last night. Both pilots had 20+ years with the company.

CA: The CO captain that died turned out to be a scab.

FO: He was?

CA: Yup.

FO: Well then he got what was coming to him.

Disclaimer:

I haven't been reading this thread because of my disinterest. If this has been discussed previously, I apologize. I also don't claim any responsibility of their comments. I'm just trying to see what the feeling is about this issue.
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My perspective? Another Forrest Gump moment. Stupid is . . .
 
I have to agree with Dale & the grudge-holding thing.

I got royally screwed in new-hire AA school, with AA losing my background check info, ending up in class 4 weeks later than I should, therefore being 9 days junior to all the TWA people instead of a few weeks senior to them. That resulted in my furlough, and ultimately the loss of everything I'd worked 7 years for.

I could choose to be really pissed off about that, the anger and bitterness could eat me alive for the rest of my life, dwelling on what I lost, what happened and how "I got screwed!"

Instead, I chose to accept what happened as just the cards life dealt me. I've moved on, life has gone different directions and I'm just enjoying the ride. I've made the CHOICE to not be angry or bitter about it. Doesn't mean I LIKE what happened, but it did, that's life, and move forward instead of dwelling on the past.

Now, I know my situation is a bit different, as what happened to me was not people crossing a picket line to do my job while I was on strike, rather just a series of events that were pretty much out of ANYONE's control but resulted in some really lousy happenings for me. But I think we need to go through life choosing to seek out the positive, choosing to "be happy", if that makes sense.
 
MQAAord said:
I have to agree with Dale & the grudge-holding thing.

I got royally screwed in new-hire AA school, with AA losing my background check info, ending up in class 4 weeks later than I should, therefore being 9 days junior to all the TWA people instead of a few weeks senior to them. That resulted in my furlough, and ultimately the loss of everything I'd worked 7 years for.

I could choose to be really pissed off about that, the anger and bitterness could eat me alive for the rest of my life, dwelling on what I lost, what happened and how "I got screwed!"

Instead, I chose to accept what happened as just the cards life dealt me. I've moved on, life has gone different directions and I'm just enjoying the ride. I've made the CHOICE to not be angry or bitter about it. Doesn't mean I LIKE what happened, but it did, that's life, and move forward instead of dwelling on the past.

Now, I know my situation is a bit different, as what happened to me was not people crossing a picket line to do my job while I was on strike, rather just a series of events that were pretty much out of ANYONE's control but resulted in some really lousy happenings for me. But I think we need to go through life choosing to seek out the positive, choosing to "be happy", if that makes sense.
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You should have been junior to TWA folks regardless of a 4 week paper difference.

TWA was a classy place....and they got hosed by AA.

PS.... the infamous staple job.... "I get mine, too bad so sad for you". Staple SUCKS.
 
cencal83406 said:
You should have been junior to TWA folks regardless of a 4 week paper difference.

TWA was a classy place....and they got hosed by AA.

PS.... the infamous staple job.... "I get mine, too bad so sad for you". Staple SUCKS.
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Arguable. Mergers and acquisitions are funny things. AAquisitions, particularly...

But it was what it was. ;) And per the agreement, had I been in class when I should have been, I would not be on the street now.

This particular subject has been hashed out time and time again in many places. It's one of those things that we just have to let go of. But don't tell me where "I should have been" on a list.... unless you were a TWA or AA F/A. :)

edit: I do know what a class place TWA was. Bill flew there for 3 years before going to DL. Fine crews he worked with, I got to meet several of them. LOTS of people got screwed in the AA purchase. Them, me, Bill's classmates who had stayed instead of going to other airlines.... it was a lousy deal all around. Had 9/11 not happened, I do not think we would have seen anyone on the street, and the "blending" would have happened much easier.
 
MQAAord said:
Arguable. Mergers and acquisitions are funny things. AAquisitions, particularly...

But it was what it was. ;) And per the agreement, had I been in class when I should have been, I would not be on the street now.

This particular subject has been hashed out time and time again in many places. It's one of those things that we just have to let go of. But don't tell me where "I should have been" on a list.... unless you were a TWA or AA F/A. :)

edit: I do know what a class place TWA was. Bill flew there for 3 years before going to DL. Fine crews he worked with, I got to meet several of them. LOTS of people got screwed in the AA purchase. Them, me, Bill's classmates who had stayed instead of going to other airlines.... it was a lousy deal all around. Had 9/11 not happened, I do not think we would have seen anyone on the street, and the "blending" would have happened much easier.
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Look at it this way.... I certainly sympathize with you getting furloughed vs. having a job via a 4 week difference... but the fact is.... you are but one (and I'm sure there are more but for arguments sake) AA flight attendant. If I recall properly, all TWA pilots and flight attendants, no matter what seniority they were, lost their jobs as a result of the takeover. edit: Growing up, I was always told by my dad that "life isn't fair" when something wouldn't fall my way.... but this just seems like a steaming pile of feces more than "lack of fairness". Obviously, it wasn't your doing so you're not the one to shake the fist at either. :)

I don't have a dog in the fight except that a combination of bad financial moves, Carl Icahn, and AA dismantled my dream airline. TWA is what got me hooked to the disease.
 
Most TWA pilots and F/As were furloughed, but not all. There are several (I have no idea how many) pilots and at least several hundred F/As currently still flying as AA employees. ALL of the most recent F/A recallees were TWA, (and sadly, the upcoming furloughes will be them too).
 
surreal1221 said:
nevermind
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Great album by Nirvana!

NirvanaNevermindalbumcover.jpg
 
Can you imagine being the baby in the photograph? In 15 years that kid is going to be an adult, and there's an album cover with his little wanker hanging out for the whole world to see!
 
MQAAord said:
Can you imagine being the baby in the photograph? In 15 years that kid is going to be an adult, and there's an album cover with his little wanker hanging out for the whole world to see!
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Amber, that album came out in the early 1990s. :D

So, he's probably using that album cover as a pickup line. He's probably telling women, if I was that size when I was a baby, how big do you think I am now?
 
Okay, so he's an adult (or nearing adulthood) now. I wonder how he feels about being naked on an album cover....
 
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