blackberrypilot
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AOPA has clarified that students pilots can log their solo time as PIC, but should it be logged as both SOLO and PIC?
AOPA has clarified that students pilots can log their solo time as PIC, but should it be logged as both SOLO and PIC?
What does AOPA have to do with it? 61.51 has said it pretty clearly since the 1997 FAR Part 61 revision.AOPA has clarified that students pilots can log their solo time as PIC, but should it be logged as both SOLO and PIC?
Not really. 61.51(e)(4) has more conditions than just sole occupant for student pilots.61.51...you can log anytime you are sole occupant as PIC
He never said that was the "only" time you could log PIC.Not really. 61.51(e)(4) has more conditions than just sole occupant for student pilots.
He never said that was the "only" time you could log PIC.
-mini
No he didn't. He said "you can log anytime you are sole occupant as PIC" and that's what I answered.
The topic is student pilots and a student pilot who does not meet the other requirements in 61.51(e)(4) may not log legit PIC if he's the sole occupant of the aircraft.
Not really. 61.51(e)(4) has more conditions than just sole occupant for student pilots.
I should certainly hope if you're the only occupant you're the PIC.If you have a private pilot license and you are flying solo then you fall under the sole manipulator clause.
I wasn't talking about an airship either, but I was not making the assumption of a solo endorsement for the flight...Sorry, I assumed we weren't talking about an airship and that the solo endorsement and training for a certificate or rating were implied.
-mini
Yes, if you're a private pilot you are not a student pilot.They don't need to say it for anyone else right? If you have a private pilot license and you are flying solo then you fall under the sole manipulator clause.
Yes, if you're a private pilot you are not a student pilot.
I should hope so. If you're the only one in the plane, I'd hope you're the PIC.....Weirdly enough, a private pilot who is =not= rated, endorsed or trained in the aircraft may log PIC when the sole occupant.
What I was getting at is when can you be sole occupant but not log PIC?
OTOH, a private pilot, ASEL, who climbs the fence and finds the keys to a Baron under the seat and goes flying, may log PIC under 61.51(e)(1)(iii), although it's generally considered bad form to put evidence of a violation in one's logbookA flight sim guy climbs the airport fence and finds the keys to a C152 under the seat and goes flying. This pilot fails these tests:
(ii) Has a current solo flight endorsement as required under § 61.87 of this part; and
(iii) Is undergoing training for a pilot certificate or rating.