Hot: Air France Jet Missing (AF 447)

Just got word that it was a meteorite that vaporized the airplane into oblivion and no trace will ever be found.



















I probably shouldn't have to say this but that may or may not be just a bit of :sarcasm:
 
OldTownPilot said:
Just got word that it was a meteorite that vaporized the airplane into oblivion and no trace will ever be found.



















I probably shouldn't have to say this but that may or may not be just a bit of :sarcasm:
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And the reason they never found the black boxes at the WTC is because the government had them removed before the flights...
 
cmill said:
And the reason they never found the black boxes at the WTC is because the government had them removed before the flights...
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Guess they shouldnt have put these on them then


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Now they're saying it could be a something as boring and mundane as a pitot tube icing up.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124411224440184797.html

Investigators are pursuing a theory that excessive air speed -- potentially spurred by ice building up on electronic speed sensors -- contributed to the ocean crash of an Air France Airbus A330 amid heavy storms Monday, according to two industry officials familiar with the details.

Investigators believe that the so-called pitot tubes may have iced up as the Air France plane with 228 people on board flew through a thunderstorm that could have included heavy rain and violent updrafts, the two industry officials said.

So called pitot tubes? Is there are different term for them on transport category aircraft or something?

But, combine the violent thunderstorms with pilots thinking they're flying a lot slower than they are and...I'll let people with a whole lot more time than me do the speculating.
 
I think speculating is good for pilots and bad for the public. Chances are, one of the ideas coughed up by some pros on here is dead on - most are well founded. This is the opposite of the news media, where idiot reporters get their wings for the day and makeup anything they don't know, misinforming the public. That kind of speculation is unhelpful to the public and us.
 
CNN now reporting that some bodies have surfaced from the crash. :o At least some will be able have some closure.
 
tonyw said:
Now they're saying it could be a something as boring and mundane as a pitot tube icing up.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124411224440184797.html

Investigators are pursuing a theory that excessive air speed -- potentially spurred by ice building up on electronic speed sensors -- contributed to the ocean crash of an Air France Airbus A330 amid heavy storms Monday, according to two industry officials familiar with the details.

Investigators believe that the so-called pitot tubes may have iced up as the Air France plane with 228 people on board flew through a thunderstorm that could have included heavy rain and violent updrafts, the two industry officials said.

So called pitot tubes? Is there are different term for them on transport category aircraft or something?

But, combine the violent thunderstorms with pilots thinking they're flying a lot slower than they are and...I'll let people with a whole lot more time than me do the speculating.
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There was a 757 in the Caribbean (I believe it was) that crashed because those tunneling wasps built a nest in its pitot tube causing inaccurate readings. Anyone remember which flight that was?
 
scramjet said:
There was a 757 in the Caribbean (I believe it was) that crashed because those tunneling wasps built a nest in its pitot tube causing inaccurate readings. Anyone remember which flight that was?
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There was Aeroperu 603 in 1996, 757 that crashed due to a contributing factor of the static ports being left covered after washing/maintenance.
 
scramjet said:
There was a 757 in the Caribbean (I believe it was) that crashed because those tunneling wasps built a nest in its pitot tube causing inaccurate readings. Anyone remember which flight that was?
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Also Birgenair 301, 757 crashed after takeoff from Dominican Repub in 1996. The plane had been parked for 25 days with no pitot covers, they suspected wasp nests.
 
There's some info on the pitot heat system here for A330. Have to dig just a little though the index.
http://www.smartcockpit.com/pdf/plane/airbus/A330/systems/0013/

Info on faulty airspeed indications A330.
http://www.smartcockpit.com/pdf/plane/airbus/A330/instructor/0036/


Found these interesting and informative.
 
captnem said:
Emu.... This is a public forum and if someone wants to SPECULATE on ANYTHING so be it. Speculating is good for pilots...it allows our brains to formulate ideas and theories and maybe make us think enough about a subject to prevent some mistake in the future.
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Not nearly as much as waiting for those who know what they're talking about to figure out what actually happened and learning from that. Right now we're getting all our information from the media. The same media that can't tell an A330 from a horsefly. Any speculation done based upon what we now know will simply be rumor and gossip.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Not nearly as much as waiting for those who know what they're talking about to figure out what actually happened and learning from that. Right now we're getting all our information from the media. The same media that can't tell an A330 from a horsefly. Any speculation done based upon what we now know will simply be rumor and gossip.
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This is a fairly standard mantra, but not sure I entirely agree with it. Educated speculation among professionals is a party of life, and not necessarily a bad thing. True, unless you're part of the investigation (and sometimes at the early stages, even if you are!) there is very little information available, so you go with what you have. Still, it is hard to argue that there is not value in thinking through possible scenarios, discussing the systems and various aspects, etc. Even if it turns out to be totally unrelated, it is still a valuable education that, perhaps, could prevent some other event.

IMO, it only goes wrong when people start to say "this IS what happened", instead of "this is one of several possibilities". So, someone without experience raises an issue that is clearly not related (like has happened several times on this thread so far), and then someone else points out the reason why that can't be true. How is that bad? The person (and lurkers) are educated a bit is all that happens.
 
CaptainCrickettMan said:
This may seem silly but if the debris wasn't from an "actual" AF A330, could it have been a codeshared flight? Same flight but different airline. For example, when I use to non-rev on UAL, sometimes it would actually be labled AC123 (Air Canada). Or AAL would be IB440 (Iberia). See where Im going? It seems very unlikely that this may be the case but you never know. :confused:
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....:drool:
 
From the ACARS, just want to establish that the aircraft can be stalled in Alternate Law.

02:10Z:
Autothrust off
Autopilot off
FBW alternate law
Rudder Travel Limiter Fault
TCAS fault due to antenna fault
Flight Envelope Computation warning
All pitot static ports lost

02:11Z:
Failure of all three ADIRUs \
Failure of gyros of ISIS (attitude information lost)

02:12Z:
ADIRUs Air Data disagree

02:13Z:
Flight Management,
Guidance and Envelope Computer fault PRIM 1 fault SEC 1 fault

02:14Z:
Cabin Pressure Controller fault (cabin vertical speed)
 
Olympic said:
From the ACARS, just want to establish that the aircraft can be stalled in Alternate Law.

02:10Z:
Autothrust off
Autopilot off
FBW alternate law
Rudder Travel Limiter Fault
TCAS fault due to antenna fault
Flight Envelope Computation warning
All pitot static ports lost

02:11Z:
Failure of all three ADIRUs \
Failure of gyros of ISIS (attitude information lost)

02:12Z:
ADIRUs Air Data disagree

02:13Z:
Flight Management,
Guidance and Envelope Computer fault PRIM 1 fault SEC 1 fault

02:14Z:
Cabin Pressure Controller fault (cabin vertical speed)
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That just sounds like the entire airplane disintegrating. *shudder*.
 
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