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Eh, the first one is actually kinda funny. I guess I just have a warped/sick sense of humor or could be I just don't let this crap get to me. The second one is completely tasteless though.
 
I agree with the second one being tasteless as anything and very disrespectful to a lot of families involved. The first one though, I did laugh. :)
 
I knew a guy who failed almost every FAA checkride because he was right and the FAA was wrong.

Now he is a captain at a regional flying a shiny jet.
 
Well, we did have the discussion a number of months back when one group of people saying that an FO is there to perform and another group thought the FO was only there to learn
 
sherpa said:
Where was the second one printed? That is pretty insensitive and tasteless.
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The bottom right hand corner of the cartoon says The Buffalo News. I agree with you that it is totally disgusting and inappropriate. :mad:

BTW, I miss you, Sherpa. How've you been? ;)
 
Doug Taylor said:
Well, we did have the discussion a number of months back when one group of people saying that an FO is there to perform and another group thought the FO was only there to learn
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I'm in the first group. The hard reality is that toward the end of the hiring boom, we were getting a good number that weren't in that group.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Well, we did have the discussion a number of months back when one group of people saying that an FO is there to perform and another group thought the FO was only there to learn
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I agree BUT...

Airline flying is night and day different than training/being a CFI. You can learn to make decisions and learn good habits, but there is a lot of stuff that you simply can't replicate.

Some things I can think of offhand:
1) Landing at a speed faster than the plane most people instructed in cruises
2) Picking around storms...as a CFI storms meant you weren't going.
3) Hard IFR is very different in an RJ or turboprop than a Seminole
4) Operating in and out of large airports (a lot of people hold that mentality that small planes don't belong in big airports)

I'm sure there are many others. Yes you want people to be as experienced as possible before they start flying people around. But realistically, where do you get that experience. Experience is important, but I think its much more important to have a quick learner with a good head on their shoulders.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I agree BUT...

Airline flying is night and day different than training/being a CFI. You can learn to make decisions and learn good habits, but there is a lot of stuff that you simply can't replicate.

Some things I can think of offhand:
1) Landing at a speed faster than the plane most people instructed in cruises
2) Picking around storms...as a CFI storms meant you weren't going.
3) Hard IFR is very different in an RJ or turboprop than a Seminole
4) Operating in and out of large airports (a lot of people hold that mentality that small planes don't belong in big airports)

I'm sure there are many others. Yes you want people to be as experienced as possible before they start flying people around. But realistically, where do you get that experience. Experience is important, but I think its much more important to have a quick learner with a good head on their shoulders.
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I think that Part 135 cargo flying is an excellent way to build that kind of experience. You get to fly in all the nasty weather in airplanes that were built before you were born. Usually climbing above the weather isn't an option, and you probably don't have weather radar either. Add to that that you are most likely flying single pilot and the autopilot is that thing with the big INOP sticker on it. Plus you get to fly into the big airports keeping your airspeed in the yellow arc until short final so you don't get run over by the big Boeing or Airbus that's right behind you.

Ahh the joys of flying freight! :) If you can do that, it should make the transition to airline flying much easier.
 
The first cartoon isn't tasteless. In fact, you could hang that sign on EVERY airliner. Because the day you stop learning in this business is the day you need to hang up your wings.
 
I really didn't think they were funny or for that matter tasteless. They make a statement that a large part of the population now thinks. Its freedom of the press. Don't like it, write a letter to the Buffalo Times expressing your distaste.
 
pilot4500 said:
I think that Part 135 cargo flying is an excellent way to build that kind of experience. You get to fly in all the nasty weather in airplanes that were built before you were born. Usually climbing above the weather isn't an option, and you probably don't have weather radar either. Add to that that you are most likely flying single pilot and the autopilot is that thing with the big INOP sticker on it. Plus you get to fly into the big airports keeping your airspeed in the yellow arc until short final so you don't get run over by the big Boeing or Airbus that's right behind you.

Ahh the joys of flying freight! :) If you can do that, it should make the transition to airline flying much easier.
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Right...I agree, but is there enough demand for part 135 freight to serve as a "training ground" (for lack of a better word) for the airlines? No doubt you'll learn a lot with much less risk to innocent people.
 
BajtheJino said:
I really didn't think they were funny or for that matter tasteless. They make a statement that a large part of the population now thinks. Its freedom of the press. Don't like it, write a letter to the Buffalo Times expressing your distaste.
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Nobody is arguing the legality of these cartoons. Yes, it's Freedom of the Press. Good observation. Thanks for that.

Taste, however, is debatable. Which we are doing here. Obviously, the majority is speaking out on this site.
 
ready2fly said:
Nobody is arguing the legality of these cartoons. Yes, it's Freedom of the Press. Good observation. Thanks for that.

Taste, however, is debatable. Which we are doing here. Obviously, the majority is speaking out on this site.
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Why does everything on this website have to immediately degenerate into a smart ass comment? I merely pointed out that the cartoon is just re-affirming what the the masses think. If the majority is so outraged instead of patting each other on the back why don't they take the time to opine to the paper.
 
pilot4500 said:
I think that Part 135 cargo flying is an excellent way to build that kind of experience.
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I'm glad you said it before I had to. Nobody says that you have to go from being a CFI directly to the right seat of a CRJ.

If after a critical self-assessment of your experience and skill you do not feel that you are ready to be second-in command of a transport category jet... then simply choose another stop on your career path to help you to build that experience.

As far as the cartoons, I agree the second one was in poor taste. That being said, someone on this board recommended a 3 strikes and you're out rule with regard to checkrides. I agree with that entirely. 3 failed checkrides and you have no business remaining with that company. No bump down to FO... because, quite honestly, if you fail a checkride as a Captain, how are you going to realistically do any better as an FO?

My company utilizes co-Captains.

Every pilot we hire is at least an ATP and is awarded a PIC type-rating on the aircraft before they hit the line. Once they have been here a few years the PIC for the day is randomly assigned by the computer and you are notified as to whether you will be Captain or FO on the night before. There is no pay differential between seats. Two equally qualified people.

If it is good enough for our company (which I would argue is MUCH more frugal than ANY of yours -- famously so)... then why isn't it good enough for yours?

Just food for thought.
 
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