Co-pilot of doomed Buffalo Flight 3407, was paid $16,000 yr
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future pilot
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well if anything. maby this will make the regionals or the FAA or whoever. That the regionals are taking advantage of their pilots and that a taxi driver makes more than some of their pilots. I dont know about you but if i was in the FAA i would atleast look into raising the starting pay to atleast 30k a year. so atleast the pilots that have already sacrificed alot to get to where they are. can atleast afford to live at their own place instead of having to still stay at moms and dads.
well if anything. maby this will make the regionals or the FAA or whoever. That the regionals are taking advantage of their pilots and that a taxi driver makes more than some of their pilots. I dont know about you but if i was in the FAA i would atleast look into raising the starting pay to atleast 30k a year. so atleast the pilots that have already sacrificed alot to get to where they are. can atleast afford to live at their own place instead of having to still stay at moms and dads.
juan valdez
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Secondly I may be way out of line but I don't think the FAA can mandate what any airline pays their pilots. I have no airline experience or even professional aviation experience so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Dude, I hate to be the grammar police because I often use bad grammar on the internet but :banghead:. Use some basic high school skills in that reply man.
Secondly I may be way out of line but I don't think the FAA can mandate what any airline pays their pilots. I have no airline experience or even professional aviation experience so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
future pilot
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Yea i know i was using my cell phone. Sorry i just got it so im just starting to get used to it.
ctab5060X
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Why would the FAA care? All they care about is that the flight is conducted safely within the regulations.
Why would the FAA care? All they care about is that the flight is conducted safely within the regulations.
juan valdez
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Yeah, I did actually... weird. It was fine, and then I had to go back and fix it again.
You did?
Yeah, I did actually... weird. It was fine, and then I had to go back and fix it again.
juan valdez
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It's all good. I just have to take my punches where I can. Often times it's others making fun of me, on this forum and others, for my lack of fundamental grammar.Yea i know i was using my cell phone. Sorry i just got it so im just starting to get used to it.
future pilot
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I know All that i am trying to say, Is that hopefully the regionals will increase their pay a little bit. (HOPEFULLY) I'm not saying that they will. More than likley they will not.
cloudman
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Yep. 1110 WBT AM spent the 6:00 hour asking people what they thought "of those lesser trained pilots." Ruined my day.
:yeahthat:
Yep. 1110 WBT AM spent the 6:00 hour asking people what they thought "of those lesser trained pilots." Ruined my day.
bdhill1979
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The FAA cannot change the payscale.
But what they can do is implement some form of requirements before someone touches an airliner full of people.
I mean I am bashing my head against the 18 more hours of night time I need for Part 135 IFR mins, to be eligible to fly boxes and maybe a few passengers. While the only requirement to control an airliner full of people is 250 hour wet CMEL (or 170 something if part 141).
Should something like that be implemented the airlines would be unable to staff for 16K a year. Hell I more than doubled that last year, and the biggest airplane I have ever flown has one engine and only six seats.
The FAA cannot change the payscale.
But what they can do is implement some form of requirements before someone touches an airliner full of people.
I mean I am bashing my head against the 18 more hours of night time I need for Part 135 IFR mins, to be eligible to fly boxes and maybe a few passengers. While the only requirement to control an airliner full of people is 250 hour wet CMEL (or 170 something if part 141).
Should something like that be implemented the airlines would be unable to staff for 16K a year. Hell I more than doubled that last year, and the biggest airplane I have ever flown has one engine and only six seats.
USMCmech
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I would like to see an ATP required for both pilots of a 121 airline.
That would put a stop to the zero to hero outfits. It would also place pressure to raise the starting pay at these regionals. I for one would not be willing to leave a 40K year job at a good freight outfit for 16K at a regional.
I would like to see an ATP required for both pilots of a 121 airline.
That would put a stop to the zero to hero outfits. It would also place pressure to raise the starting pay at these regionals. I for one would not be willing to leave a 40K year job at a good freight outfit for 16K at a regional.
DavCo
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Damn, I wish I made 16K a year... Hopefully people will start to realize that they can't continue down this path and expect accidents not to happen. Food, water, shelter... then fly. Not the other way around... the only way to guarantee that safety is to increase pay and have better work rules in the contract, if not the FAR's.
I can't believe some of the comments some of those people left... ignorance at its best.
Damn, I wish I made 16K a year... Hopefully people will start to realize that they can't continue down this path and expect accidents not to happen. Food, water, shelter... then fly. Not the other way around... the only way to guarantee that safety is to increase pay and have better work rules in the contract, if not the FAR's.
I can't believe some of the comments some of those people left... ignorance at its best.
bdhill1979
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r at least something similar to 135 IFR mins, even the arbitrary yet round number of 1000 hours, anything beyond the nothing more than a commercial that stands now.
:yeahthat
r at least something similar to 135 IFR mins, even the arbitrary yet round number of 1000 hours, anything beyond the nothing more than a commercial that stands now.
ctab5060X
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That sounds reasonable...
:yeahthat
That sounds reasonable...
Lead Sled
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First of all, my deepest respect, thoughts and prayers to all affected by this disaster. So, I understand that this sounds like an accident where even the most basic of flying concepts should have kicked in….I’m in danger of stalling, the nose needs to come down, the flaps extended are only helping me, I’m in need of power and I gotta watch ALT and stay coordinated.
Well, I’m a low time guy who was considering jumping into this industry when they would have taken guys with 250 hours. If I had have been in that plane I think that being inexperienced, uncomfortable with the WX and nervous all at the same time would have led me to make far worse decisions than these two young professionals “may have.”
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I’m so far below the knowledge of almost everyone on this site, I’m really just talking to the one’s as inexperienced as me. Even if you just want to fly for fun and not carry loads of souls behind you…..the biggest unions, government agencies and development in technology on the planet can never replace the dedication, knowledge, skill and ability to respond to life and death situations in a nanosecond that a pilot must have. Be safe, have fun, and above all never be afraid to second guess yourself (or be second guessed by someone else) and always realize that you will always have so much more to learn….even if you’re logging your 20,000<SUP>th</SUP> hour.
And to all those who do this with such dedication well after the money and sweet life have left the industry, God bless you. Thanks for all the times you've gotten me home safe.
First of all, my deepest respect, thoughts and prayers to all affected by this disaster. So, I understand that this sounds like an accident where even the most basic of flying concepts should have kicked in….I’m in danger of stalling, the nose needs to come down, the flaps extended are only helping me, I’m in need of power and I gotta watch ALT and stay coordinated.
Well, I’m a low time guy who was considering jumping into this industry when they would have taken guys with 250 hours. If I had have been in that plane I think that being inexperienced, uncomfortable with the WX and nervous all at the same time would have led me to make far worse decisions than these two young professionals “may have.”
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></O>I’m so far below the knowledge of almost everyone on this site, I’m really just talking to the one’s as inexperienced as me. Even if you just want to fly for fun and not carry loads of souls behind you…..the biggest unions, government agencies and development in technology on the planet can never replace the dedication, knowledge, skill and ability to respond to life and death situations in a nanosecond that a pilot must have. Be safe, have fun, and above all never be afraid to second guess yourself (or be second guessed by someone else) and always realize that you will always have so much more to learn….even if you’re logging your 20,000<SUP>th</SUP> hour.
And to all those who do this with such dedication well after the money and sweet life have left the industry, God bless you. Thanks for all the times you've gotten me home safe.
AirmetTango
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I agree 100%. It is an Airline Transport Pilot certificate, and we are talking about airline pilots...sure passes the common sense test in my book.
I agree 100%. It is an Airline Transport Pilot certificate, and we are talking about airline pilots...sure passes the common sense test in my book.
juan valdez
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I like how one guy makes it a race issue.