American Eagle is allowed to purchase 22 more CRJs

stillageek

stillageek

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After many months there was an official announcement that American Eagle is allowed to exercise 22 or the 25 CRJ 700s options previously approved. There has been no announcement of when.

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ARBITRATOR RULES ON AA PILOT GRIEVANCE REGARDING EAGLE'S CRJ OPTIONS
American Eagle is pleased to receive this week's arbitration ruling confirming that 22 of Eagle's 25 options to purchase CRJ700s are valid and may continue to be exercised without violating the collective bargaining agreement between AA and the union representing its pilots, the Allied Pilots Association (APA). The APA's grievance asked the arbitrator to determine that the CRJ700 options had expired. "While we disagreed with the arbitrator's ruling that three of the 25 options are no longer available, we are happy to have this issue resolved," said Eagle President & CEO Peter Bowler. "Although these are difficult times in the airline business, we believe that confirming Eagle's ability to acquire these aircraft is good for AA's network and look forward to the time when market conditions make it possible for us to exercise these options."



Now they just need some money....Obama?
 
Hmm these options were approved by the APA years ago. These aren't NEW options...the American Airlines Pilots approved 50 CRJ 700s over 7 years ago. Eagle bought 25 and had the option of 25 more. This announcement is due to the APA stating the remaining 25 CRJ options were no longer valid. That's it. So please explain if the APA approved these options 7 years ago how 220 mainline jobs are going to go away? Is AMR going to tell AA to axe 10 AA pilot jobs as each CRJ comes on property? I hope the AA pilots get all the money owed to them and then some. BTW how is Cherry Air treating you?
 
stillageek said:
Hmm these options were approved by the APA years ago. These aren't NEW options...the American Airlines Pilots approved 50 CRJ 700s over 7 years ago. Eagle bought 25 and had the option of 25 more. This announcement is due to the APA stating the remaining 25 CRJ options were no longer valid. That's it. So please explain if the APA approved these options 7 years ago how 220 mainline jobs are going to go away? Is AMR going to tell AA to axe 10 AA pilot jobs as each CRJ comes on property? I hope the AA pilots get all the money owed to them and then some. BTW how is Cherry Air treating you?
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7 years ago the aviation industry was in expansion mode. Or at least as much of an expansion as they could be. It got bigger after that. Recently, the push is on to eliminate 50 seat aircraft due to the costs associated with them. There's a reason APA didn't want those planes flying: job security for their own members. If AMR couldn't get those planes flying, in order to still fly the routes, they'd have to use mainline aircraft. There's a better chance of furloughed AA guys getting called back if the mainline aircraft get used than if Eagle flies the routes with 70 seaters. Hence, fewer mainline jobs.
 
I think if Eagle were to exercise these options, they would phase out the EMJ135's at the same time to keep the fleet balanced. At least until the industry as a whole starts to recover.
 
kellwolf said:
7 years ago the aviation industry was in expansion mode. Or at least as much of an expansion as they could be. It got bigger after that. Recently, the push is on to eliminate 50 seat aircraft due to the costs associated with them. There's a reason APA didn't want those planes flying: job security for their own members. If AMR couldn't get those planes flying, in order to still fly the routes, they'd have to use mainline aircraft. There's a better chance of furloughed AA guys getting called back if the mainline aircraft get used than if Eagle flies the routes with 70 seaters. Hence, fewer mainline jobs.
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I'm no expert...far from it
but if APA approved them 7 years ago then sorry, tough luck. Yes it sucks but they should have thought of that before agreeing to 50 jets.
 
kellwolf said:
If AMR couldn't get those planes flying, in order to still fly the routes, they'd have to use mainline aircraft. There's a better chance of furloughed AA guys getting called back if the mainline aircraft get used than if Eagle flies the routes with 70 seaters. Hence, fewer mainline jobs.
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Not true, if they couldn't get the other 25 CRJs they would use the 50 seaters....like they do right now. AMR uses the CRJ on routes to big for 50 seaters too small for MD80s.
 
stillageek said:
After many months there was an official announcement that American Eagle is allowed to exercise 22 or the 25 CRJ 700s options previously approved. There has been no announcement of when.

* * PLEASE POST ON ALL BULLETIN BOARDS * *

ARBITRATOR RULES ON AA PILOT GRIEVANCE REGARDING EAGLE'S CRJ OPTIONS
American Eagle is pleased to receive this week's arbitration ruling confirming that 22 of Eagle's 25 options to purchase CRJ700s are valid and may continue to be exercised without violating the collective bargaining agreement between AA and the union representing its pilots, the Allied Pilots Association (APA). The APA's grievance asked the arbitrator to determine that the CRJ700 options had expired. "While we disagreed with the arbitrator's ruling that three of the 25 options are no longer available, we are happy to have this issue resolved," said Eagle President & CEO Peter Bowler. "Although these are difficult times in the airline business, we believe that confirming Eagle's ability to acquire these aircraft is good for AA's network and look forward to the time when market conditions make it possible for us to exercise these options."



Now they just need some money....Obama?
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YES!!

As for the financing: it's been squared away for about a year now.

joliet said:
Bye bye Mainline Jobs!
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turbomax97 said:
Bye bye 220 more mainline jobs. This isn't a good thing :banghead:
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Actually, no....and it is a good thing.

And for the two posters above, if you would please provide some basis/fact for your comments, it might help us understand where you are coming from.

What folks are failing to see is the big picture: Eagle is designed to be the FEEDER for American Airlines. Not to take their routes/jobs. Additionally, as was pointed out, the idea of bringing on the additional CRJ's has everything to do with replacing some of the 135's.

Out of DFW, we currently fly to PIT several times a day. Every flight is full. As of this summer, American will be putting 2 Super 80's on that route, thus reducing two to three of the CRJ flights to/from PIT.

That's how the system works.

As for upgrades......too early to tell.
 
Velocipede said:
I thought AA and AE had a flowup/flowdown program. Guess not.
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As subpilot pointed out, the letter of agreement TECHNICALLY expired last year. HOWEVER, it is my understanding (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong), that the arbitrator rendered his decision prior to its expiration, but had tha decision sealed.

The rumor that I've heard is that whenever American recalls all of their pilots (rumored to happen this year), then those pilots at Eagle with AA seniority numbers, will flow through prior to American doing any hiring off the street.

Ask yourself this: if the letter expired - why then, were an additional 135 (185?) pilots at Eagle awarded seniority numbers at American at the END of last year??
 
ready2fly said:
The rumor that I've heard is that whenever American recalls all of their pilots (rumored to happen this year), then those pilots at Eagle with AA seniority numbers, will flow through prior to American doing any hiring off the street.
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As much as I'd like to see all the furloughed guys recalled, they just announced that the two March classes will be the last for the foreseeable future.
 
BobDDuck said:
As much as I'd like to see all the furloughed guys recalled, they just announced that the two March classes will be the last for the foreseeable future.
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True....but as we all know - "the forseeable future" can mean anything from one month to ???? Circumstances change fast in aviation.
 
As I said, I'd like to see that very much. Maybe I'm just jaded from working at a property that has shrunk consistantly for the last 4 years.
 
ready2fly said:
What folks are failing to see is the big picture: Eagle is designed to be the FEEDER for American Airlines. Not to take their routes/jobs. Additionally, as was pointed out, the idea of bringing on the additional CRJ's has everything to do with replacing some of the 135's.

Out of DFW, we currently fly to PIT several times a day. Every flight is full. As of this summer, American will be putting 2 Super 80's on that route, thus reducing two to three of the CRJ flights to/from PIT.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but that's my point exactly. Eagle won't be flying those super 80's - mainline does.:confused:
 
does this have any relevance to AA cancelling call backs?
I was getting excited for a bit. Now I am frustrared again.
 
I'm taking an "I'll believe it when I see it" stance. Bigger RJs, to me, mean fewer mainline jobs. Then again, I've seen so many routes that used to be DC-9s going to -900s and 175s that I'm uber-jaded now. IND-TPA, MEM-PHX, MEM-SLC, etc. All are RJs. You'll forgive me if I'm not turning back flips as more RJs come down the pipe. If it's replacing 135s, that's fine since it'll be a net gain of zero. However, it may or may NOT be the case.
 
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