Can we all thank the CO PILOT of the U.S. Airways plane!

[MFT1Air]

Can anyone name Al Haynes' copilot?

How about Robert Morgan's copilot in the Memphis Belle?

Perhaps the copilot of the Enola Gay?

What about the guy flying the B-29 when Chuck Yeager broke the barrier?

Who was the helo pilot who rescued Scott O'Grady in Bosina?

For everyone bitching that the FO's name isn't known...what are you, new? Welcome to aviation.

Al Haynes' copilot? - Charles Barkley

Robert Morgan's copilot? (I actually saw the movie...twice! - Michael Vick

guy flying the B-29 when Chuck Yeager - Alex, I'll say Sean Avery, formerly of the Red Wings. (I'll take his sloppy seconds too, although I'm sure we all know why the girlfriends are "ex's" [money & Viagra don't always keep a person around!])

helo pilot who rescued Scott O'Grady - Roman Polansky

mode off!

I concur with Hacker. . .no big deal to me either.

 

[KTRN]

Anyone outside the aviation world would think that Capt.Sully was the only one flying the plane & helping everyone off the plane with the media frenzy. The FO & the FA deserve to get mentioned by name, too.

Katie

 

[SeanD]

Anyone outside the aviation world would think that Capt.Sully was the only one flying the plane & helping everyone off the plane with the media frenzy. The FO & the FA deserve to get mentioned by name, too.

Katie

They will more than likely get a mention when the Captain speaks to the media. In my opinion that is far better and has a lot more meaning then it coming out of some ahole reporters mouth.

 

[derg]

Al Haynes' copilot? - Charles Barkley

Robert Morgan's copilot? (I actually saw the movie...twice! - Michael Vick

Naw, naw, it was TI!

 

[tlewis95]

Don't know US Airway's policies, but if I were in that CA's situation, I wouldn't be saying "Eh, it's your leg, you can land in the water" knowing that whatever happened, good or bad, it would be my "fault."

Especially if I were a glider pilot and the gear monkey wasn't.

 

[derg]

It begins on Facebook!

 

[skydog]

A hero is someone who has the option of walking way and not getting involved, yet gets involved anyway. Certainly this was a terrific example of airmanship on the part of Capt Sullenberger and F/O "what's his name" ;-)

On another note, the Captain takes all the blame when things go wrong, so why shouldn't he take all the credit? However, I suspect that Capt Sully would be the first to credit the entire crew.

 

[Hacker15e]

Only the Sioux City accident seems to be similar feat. Dennis Fitch at least is usually mentioned in the same sentence as Captain Haynes for his efforts behind the thrust levers.

Interesting, I don't remember seeing him invited to speak alongside Capt Haynes at NJC this past October.

 

[JustinA]

The Captain gets all the credit in the same way Bush takes all the heat for our present day failures.

Ahhh so true.

 

[surreal1221]

Interesting, I don't remember seeing him invited to speak alongside Capt Haynes at NJC this past October.

lol

Wasn't invited because perhaps no one could reach the guy, or because he wasn't the one who signed for the airplane. Whatever the reason, it really doesn't matter.

His actions that day, along with ALL crew members actions - saved lives. But I got it. Can't let the cat out of the bag, otherwise the love fest on Captains in accidents would cease. Then we would return right back into the lawsuit realm prior to the conclusion of any investigation.

Or has no one heard? Those pilots - yes - plural - of the COA bird in Denver are being sued right now. Best of luck to those guys for saving lives as well, but nope. . . we don't give a #### about them.

 

[HeyEng]

You know what, think of it like this:

I PERSONALLY wouldn't want all the stupid attention! I wouldn't want the mass of media idiots clogging up the streets to my house, I wouldn't want my phone ringing off the hook, I wouldn't want every fool out there to say "Way to go man, you rock!!!". Just think of all the crap I have posted on JC and other sites, all to be revealed by the press...there would be NO PRIVACY!!! It's kinda like the crap "Joe the plumber" put up with. So, perhaps the FO and the rest of the crew are happy with their relative "press black out".

One complaint...what is the deal with the FO's wife mentioning he needed clean underwear?!? I'm sorry, if my SO said that, she'd get smacked....(not really, so don't get all over me for my "violence towards women").

 

[surreal1221]

The FO's wife said it because. . .much like in the Cockpit. . .he isn't running the show at home.

 

[HeyEng]

The FO's wife said it because. . .much like in the Cockpit. . .he isn't running the show at home.

Even a better reason to give her the smack down!

Speaking of the FO...I wonder if he is actually a captain? He's been there for 23 years, so surely he would have the seniority to hold a captain's line, right? Perhaps a line check was going on or something? I don't know enough about 121 stuff, but seems odd that such senior guys are on narrowbody airplanes. Just curious.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

With great mustache comes great responsibility.

-mini

Now that's funny.! :yup: I've gotta grow me a 'stache.

Speaking of the FO...I wonder if he is actually a captain? He's been there for 23 years, so surely he would have the seniority to hold a captain's line, right? Perhaps a line check was going on or something? I don't know enough about 121 stuff, but seems odd that such senior guys are on narrowbody airplanes. Just curious.

Actually, 23 years isn't that senior at Airways. Before the recalls, they had 18-year pilots on furlough. Pretty sad, huh?

 

[Malko]

Even a better reason to give her the smack down!

Speaking of the FO...I wonder if he is actually a captain? He's been there for 23 years, so surely he would have the seniority to hold a captain's line, right? Perhaps a line check was going on or something? I don't know enough about 121 stuff, but seems odd that such senior guys are on narrowbody airplanes. Just curious.

Quite possible.....but many other factors:

Quality of life
Reserve/Line holder
Lack of Desire to hold CA.
Lack of desire for bigger a/c...
etc.....

from that other forum:

Most junior US Airways East captain hired: Mar 1999 (E190/PHL)
Most junior US Airways West captain hired: Jan 1999 (737/PHX)

 

[granlistillo]

Interesting, I don't remember seeing him invited to speak alongside Capt Haynes at NJC this past October.

 

[Hacker15e]

What's so puzzling?

This thread is riddled with people screaming/complaining that the FO is not getting the same recognition as the Captain, and placing the blame on the idiotic press for the error.

In an attempt to show that this isn't a new phenomenon, I asked if anyone knew Al Haynes' FO.

When someone posted his name, I was just contrasting which one of them was invited to speak at our very own NJC from a previous famous airline incident....the Captain.

My point is 'who cares if the Captain gets the glory and nobody knows who the FO is'. That's just life. That's how things work in the spotlight.

 

[granlistillo]

What's so puzzling?

This thread is riddled with people screaming/complaining that the FO is not getting the same recognition as the Captain, and placing the blame on the idiotic press for the error.

In an attempt to show that this isn't a new phenomenon, I asked if anyone knew Al Haynes' FO.

When someone posted his name, I was just contrasting which one of them was invited to speak at our very own NJC from a previous famous airline incident....the Captain.

My point is 'who cares if the Captain gets the glory and nobody knows who the FO is'. That's just life. That's how things work in the spotlight.

I was "puzzled" if you were kidding or not about Captain Fitch. Your other analogies vis a vis a multi-crew emergency were faulty. The one that was not you got entirely wrong.

On July 19, 1998, Captain Fitch was a passenger on United Airlines Flight 232. He was simply returning home after a week at his job as a pilot trainer in Denver, enjoying the ride at 37,000 feetuntil a catastrophic failure in one of the engines cut all hydraulic controls in the plane, a problem so unthinkable that there was simply no procedure for dealing with it.

Denny Fitch then volunteered his assistance to the cockpit and with Captain Al Haynes and the rest of the flight crew, guided the plane to Sioux City, Iowa under the most trying circumstances. While 112 souls perished in the terrifying crash landing, 184 people survived because of the incredible teamwork and leadership of the men in the cockpit and the control tower.

Without the use of any of the systems required to control the plane, Captain Fitch and his colleagues missed being completely successful by only a matter of inches. He and the crew hold the distinguished record of the longest time aloft without flight controls who lived to tell about it.

Captain Fitch was commended by President George Bush and in Senate Resolution 174 of the 101st Congress for his outstanding effort, poise and courage. He is a safety consultant to NASA as a member of the Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel and has also been inducted into the Aviation Hall of Fame at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum.

He has given numerous inspirational and motivational presentations to corporate groups and associations. In his discussions, he uses his own incredible experiences to help audiences understand that details make a difference. He also offers valuable insight into the importance of relying on other team members to ensure success.

 

[Hacker15e]

Your other analogies vis a vis a multi-crew emergency were faulty. The one that was not you got entirely wrong.

Okay, you've totally lost the bubble here.

Yeah, I know the other examples were not multi-crew emergencies.

My point was that in all of those cases there is one person who is historically well known...and there is another person who probably had an equal amount of responsibility (just like in the river ditching) but whom the general public doesn't know. It's not specific to airline emergencies, although United 232 is the closest situational match to the Airways crash.

Again, the point being that in aviation this kind of thing is nothing new. People here are pitching a bitch about it as if it were something new. This kind of crap, right or wrong, happens all the time. I know personally of a crew in an F-15E who were awarded different medals for a situation encountered over Serbia during Allied Force in 1999 -- the pilot was awarded a Distinguished Flying Cross and the WSO was awarded an Air Medal. Same idea; one person in a crew aircraft being given more credit for an event when both people had important play.

Your post, by the way, still doesn't talk about Al Haynes' FO on United 232 -- further reinforcing my point.

 

[bunghole]

What is with all of the hurt feelings that our illustrious media provide fair and accurate reporting. Was someone thinking they were gonna get this incident any better? The fact is there is no line between entertainment and news.