In my opinion based on the info I read, it probably would have been helpful to not take concessions to begin with.
Comair's last undelivered -900 going to Mesaba
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In my opinion based on the info I read, it probably would have been helpful to not take concessions to begin with.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Bankruptcy courts made it so they didn't really have a choice. They couldn't strike, yet management was more or less free to force whatever terms they wanted on the pilot group. At least, that's how my hazy memory remembers it going down.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Well good luck getting a strike going 4 years ago.
Anyway, you're right. They did a good job in my opinion. Then again I came from Colgan where the pay is lower across the board and no perdiem (unless ur on the Q).
SmoothLanderJ
Well-Known Member
jynxyjoe
Queso King
probably shoulda put the[/b]Oh Yeah!!!...............Um probably not though...........
tag down but I had a good chuckle at leaving it out every dollar helps these days.
What is frustrating is that I guess we as pilots sometimes only see the short term gains for ourselves rather than long term gains for the entire profession. I just wonder if pilots at Comair feel that we are supporting them, when years ago they opted to take a stand and now a large group of their pilots are losing their jobs over "cost".
Bob this might be a little far out, but at some point everyone has a choice, pilots included. Let's say for example, no pilot ever applied at Freedom. Or how about 810 resignation letters when Mr. Waterskier wanted to start another alter ego carrier. Have some type of provision in the letter that states, these all become effective in 17 days. Mr. Waterskier you have 3 days to negotiate with us to short this out.
Granted these things are a lot easier to say when typing from a keyboard. I just wish we as pilots would sometimes think outside the box instead of like lawyers. Interesting link to the bankruptcy code. Do you think airline managements have been following it to the T, or is it up for interpretation?
Bob this might be a little far out, but at some point everyone has a choice, pilots included. Let's say for example, no pilot ever applied at Freedom. Or how about 810 resignation letters when Mr. Waterskier wanted to start another alter ego carrier. Have some type of provision in the letter that states, these all become effective in 17 days. Mr. Waterskier you have 3 days to negotiate with us to short this out.
Granted these things are a lot easier to say when typing from a keyboard. I just wish we as pilots would sometimes think outside the box instead of like lawyers. Interesting link to the bankruptcy code. Do you think airline managements have been following it to the T, or is it up for interpretation?
WalterSobchak
Well-Known Member
See in '04 Mesaba signed an industry leading contract, but you probably weren't yet in the industry. We were supposed to get 35 CRJ 200's but they weren't to 9E(sound like a familiar game?) NWA went into bankruptcy and took us with them. They bought us and are building us back. It's the Express I(Pinnacle) plan. Instead of think what regionals are sweet based on APC forums do some research. None of these planes our ours or yours.They are Delta's. We are all subcontractors in the regional industry. Please do more research. Almost all the contracts are on the ALPA and Teamsters websites. If you don't understand something ask.
-Mesaba*-- Comair-- ASA --Republic--Eagle ---Mesaba'10
yr -70 50----70 50----70 50----70 50----70 50----70 50
3 -63 59----62 59----65 62----66 63----68 65----70 66
5 -66 62----66 63----69 66----70 67----73 69----74 70
10 77 72----78 73----81 77----82 78----83 79----86 80
15 91 84----91 85----95 89----95 91----95 91---102 94
* Mesaba is currently on a concessionary contract rates increase 4% every December 1st through 2010. Plus we have great soft pay and QOL in the contract as well. Yeah ghetto here we come!
jynxyjoe
Queso King
I thought you were leaving DTWYeah ghetto here we come!
Sorry, guess I am feeling really stupid today. So we take the DOS + 2 charts in LOA 23 and add 4% and that would be our new payrates come December 1st? Or is the DOS +2 chart the payrates come December? I guess I am guilty of not fully reading everything in our contract.
WalterSobchak
Well-Known Member
1/1/09!!!
In case you were wondering the 30-34 seat turbo prop scales as well.
yr---Mesaba---Eagle---SkyWest---Colgan---Mesaba'10
03---48--------47------48---------43-------52
05---52--------51------51---------46-------56
10---60--------62------58---------54-------65
15---65--------70------67---------61-------71
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Hell if I know how to read the thing.
My plan is just to look at the paycheck dec 1st and see if I can make the math work.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Keep in mind we work under the RLA. TSA guys could NOT have said "We resign in 17 days." The RLA calls that a "change in the status quo," which is required to be maintained in negotiations. So, if the TSA boys and girls had said that, there probably would have been jail time for the union leaders since it would have been an organized ordeal. You don't have 800+ spontaneously say "Take this job and shove it."
There's a lot of things that airline pilots' hands are simply tied on thanks to an outdated piece of legislation.
There's a lot of things that airline pilots' hands are simply tied on thanks to an outdated piece of legislation.
flyingmaniac
Well-Known Member
See in '04 Mesaba signed an industry leading contract, but you probably weren't yet in the industry. We were supposed to get 35 CRJ 200's but they weren't to 9E(sound like a familiar game?) NWA went into bankruptcy and took us with them. They bought us and are building us back. It's the Express I(Pinnacle) plan. Instead of think what regionals are sweet based on APC forums do some research. None of these planes our ours or yours.They are Delta's. We are all subcontractors in the regional industry. Please do more research. Almost all the contracts are on the ALPA and Teamsters websites. If you don't understand something ask.
-Mesaba*-- Comair-- ASA --Republic--Eagle ---Mesaba'10
yr -70 50----70 50----70 50----70 50----70 50----70 50
3 -63 59----62 59----65 62----66 63----68 65----70 66
5 -66 62----66 63----69 66----70 67----73 69----74 70
10 77 72----78 73----81 77----82 78----83 79----86 80
15 91 84----91 85----95 89----95 91----95 91---102 94
* Mesaba is currently on a concessionary contract rates increase 4% every December 1st through 2010. Plus we have great soft pay and QOL in the contract as well. Yeah ghetto here we come!
Yeah I was in the industry and Mesaba still wasn't on my list of who to fly for. Sorry to twirk your horns.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Considering that Mesaba has done such a wonderful job for DAL...It makes since that they'd give it to them.
Basing it on their cost/performance under NWA. We're constantly reminded over here about how we can easily be beat into non-existence by any DCI or Airlink carrier.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
No offense, but it's about time.
