ZOMG - "Near Miss" of B-747s (3 miles)

tomokc said:
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v...kg-airliners-almost-collide-lawrence.cnn.html

More fine reporting from the aviation experts at CNN about two 747s over Scotland.

"Even though they were miles away, at one point one plane was just 100 feet above the other!"

Did any of the "up to 1,000" passengers even realize there was a traffic conflict?
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I had a near miss like that in my car once up in Sonoma County as I was pulling into my driveway. My neighbor and I were both in cars on the road. His driveway was 1286ft MSL and it's extended center crossed right over the extended center of mine. My driveway elevation was 1310ft MSL. 24 ft difference!
So the guy turns into his driveway (the extended center of which crosses mine) just before I get to my driveway. Dude, it was the scariest thing ever... He turns into his driveway and I turn into mine AT THE SAME TIME. It was like I saw my life pass before my eyes. We missed killing each other by only 3.5 miles and 24ft vertical. His driveway is in Mendocino county.
 
I know 3 miles sounds like nothing to pilots, but for control, 3 miles at the same altitude at cruise altitude is a pretty bad one...
 
UAL747400 said:
:bang:I'm curious what those types thought of guys in Jetstreams and Metros hand spinning the props!
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Well since I think AMF is the only operator to invent that, probably nothing. I have never seen another TPE operator hand spin the props for cooling effect. When I talked to our Mx about it they laughed at me.
 
I sat next to someone one flight who was telling me her daughter flew for an airline and mentioned how difficult it could be to spot other air traffic at times.

She told her daughter, "Well why don't you just look for their shadows along the ground and then you'll know right where they are?!" She told me that the thought had never occurred to her pilot daughter, how could that be?
 
I feel like a cynical butt hole when I tell my boss that the guy 1,000 feet above or below us is no big deal and we're both right where we're supposed to be. But there's really no other way to convey the fact that nothing is out of the ordinary.
 
z987k said:
Well since I think AMF is the only operator to invent that, probably nothing. I have never seen another TPE operator hand spin the props for cooling effect. When I talked to our Mx about it they laughed at me.
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I have never seen a SA226 or 227 pilot not spin the props. I think it may be type specific.

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Maurus said:
I have never seen a SA226 or 227 pilot not spin the props. I think it may be type specific.

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AFAIK, it's a recommendation/policy/procedure on all TPE331 motors to prevent shaft bowing. Stupid direct drive engines.

Oh wait, GEnX has to do the same thing.
 
Polar742 said:
AFAIK, it's a recommendation/policy/procedure on all TPE331 motors to prevent shaft bowing. Stupid direct drive engines.

Oh wait, GEnX has to do the same thing.
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Bah, INSTANT power! I'll take a bit of hand spinning over waiting 5 seconds for a PT6(at least the ones in the 99) to "wake up" for a go-around. ;)
 
Maurus said:
I have never seen a SA226 or 227 pilot not spin the props. I think it may be type specific.

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Maybe. I've never seen an MU-2, AC90, C441, C212, SC7, B100 or JS31 do it. I've never seen anything in writing except for an AMF policy either. Nothing from Honeywell/Garrett.
 
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UAL747400 said:
Bah, INSTANT power! I'll take a bit of hand spinning over waiting 5 seconds for a PT6(at least the ones in the 99) to "wake up" for a go-around. ;)
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I'm a bigger fan of the instant reverse, and the vastly lower fuel burn per HP.
 
Derg said:
Some passenger wrote a very nasty letter to my chief pilot about standing in the arc of the propeller on a Beech 1900. INCHES FROM DEATH IF THE MAGS KICKED OVER!

Another said something about me not bringing the mixture "full rich" on approach. ZOMG NEARLY KILT THE ENGINE!
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You probably shock cooled them motors, too.

z987k said:
Well since I think AMF is the only operator to invent that, probably nothing. I have never seen another TPE operator hand spin the props for cooling effect. When I talked to our Mx about it they laughed at me.
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We have to do it. I feel like an idiot every time.
 
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