SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
And I'm sure you did just fine without having practiced constantly. It's not a difficult skill.
You're the FO...
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
One would think, and then there are those.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Paging @PeanuckleCRJ I know you have said that you fly the majority of approach/landings with AT off on the 320. How far back do you turn it off? Have you ever something like this happen?
On a given trip, I'll usually do just one landing with AT off.
On a given trip, I'll usually do just one landing with AT off.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Let me rephrase this. I know nothing about ATs, all the way across the freaking Atlantic today. ISA was -4 to +10 at times. Winds going crazy. 7 hours of power lever madness.
My brain hurts.
PeanuckleCRJ
Poodle Wrangler
We have the A/T deferred a couple times a year on the 320 fleet. It's an emphasis item to be comfortable with.
It all depends on the situation... many times when I go from assigned speed to managed speed approaching the marker, I just slap them to idle for the easy disconnect and also particularly on a longer managed descent to the feather ILS where it kind of does that pseudo dive and drive thing. Similarly, I may turn them off at other times in the flight for a smoother experience for the passengers.
When I was on OE, the LCA would turn it off around 15000 feet lots of times... it's such an easy plane to fly, the workload increase was minimal for the PM. And man, when the crap hits the fan on fifi- I want my family on his plane.
All in all, @Derg made great points. You run into a number of different personalities, and you also need to be cognizant of the impression you've made on him when he has that sort of reaction- perhaps he didn't trust you enough yet.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Agreed on all points but as already mentioned in the OP it wasn't a trust issue. Also an ex-US 20 yr guy and some of them are just weirdos.
PeanuckleCRJ
Poodle Wrangler
Fair enough!
Thankfully, I haven't encountered that at Tier 1 Air Lines, but I sure did at Pinnacle. One dude downright yelled at me for turning it all of instead of fingerbanging the autoflight panel until the last possible moment.
Sometimes you just have to watch your FO. You may just learn something you didn't know.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
PeanuckleCRJ
Poodle Wrangler
So true.. That was the point of me mentioning being cognizant of what the CA thinks of your flying. However, the event that I am referencing was a seriously deficient captain that got fired a few months after we flew together. He was absolutely afraid of the FO not being in full automation to the last minute possible... he felt it was unprofessional not to do so, insisted his crew go out with him on layovers in full uniform, and other levels of d-baggery.
What the hell.
Some folks just need to be put on barge and set out to float down the river, never to be seen again.
ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
I was having a discussion with a friend who just upgraded. And as first officers we appreciated captains who let us fly, and trusted us. I love being given just enough rope to hang myself, but not pose a danger. There is a lot I learn by doing.
Just a random thought.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
We're all pros. The guy in the left seat is there because he's senior, not necessarily because he's better or more experienced. In an ideal world, everyone treats everyone as a professional until proven otherwise, but sometimes that's not the case. For example, a captain will never get the best work out of someone if he's treating the FO as a voice activated autopilot. Conversely, a "right seat captain" isn't appropriate, and neither is the FO sitting over there saying "yes, sir" to everything.
Team sport, gents. Don't bend metal. Speak up as an FO if something is going to get you dead or in trouble, otherwise let @Polar742 take that last-minute reroute. Don't play the "I have 4 stripes" card unless you really need to. Drink beer. Get paid.
Team sport, gents. Don't bend metal. Speak up as an FO if something is going to get you dead or in trouble, otherwise let @Polar742 take that last-minute reroute. Don't play the "I have 4 stripes" card unless you really need to. Drink beer. Get paid.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Redeye return he brushed his teeth not once but twice. Once at level off and then once before beginning the descent. I get it, it's a redeye and all, but the flight deck is not your personal bathroom for personal grooming.
Ugh. Will add that to the list of things NOT to do once I'm in the left seat.
Ugh. Will add that to the list of things NOT to do once I'm in the left seat.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Just one more reason to avoid Hal.
I was usually too busy yelling at FOs for not wearing their hat.
Ewwww.
poser765
Well-Known Member
This thread is now a wierd captain thread.
We have a captain who carries his bags with him through the airport instead of pulling them on the wheels. he also loses his mind if another crew member gets his bag out of the overhead for him. Apparently he is a germaphobe and probably OCD.
We have a captain who carries his bags with him through the airport instead of pulling them on the wheels. he also loses his mind if another crew member gets his bag out of the overhead for him. Apparently he is a germaphobe and probably OCD.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Just one more reason to avoid Hal.
I was usually too busy yelling at FOs for not wearing their hat.
Ewwww.
Hal?
PeanuckleCRJ
Poodle Wrangler
To be clear, the "a couple times a year" meant fleet wide, not per pilot experience.
Just because you never saw it doesn't mean it didn't happen on your fleet- you actively avoided flying as much as possible. The boeings and McBoeings have a similar incidence rate as fifi for A/T inop due to various mx issues.
The only time I've had A/T inop was due to a fadec issue on a 757 for one leg. That has been my only time at delta with it out.
