You're a SouthernJets International 767ER....

Coordinate with dispatch a new destination and new alternate(s) based on fuel burn below RVSM airspace. Coordinate with ATC for a block altitude, so you don't have to sweat ATP standards on the altitude. Take turns hand flying the jet.


Invite the Flight Attendants to take a turn at level flight. Why not take advantage of the opportunity to break up the monotony of hours and hours of handflying straight and level, right? Could be entertaining. :)








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TonyC said:
Invite the Flight Attendants to take a turn at level flight. Why not take advantage of the opportunity to break up the monotony of hours and hours of handflying straight and level, right? Could be entertaining. :)
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She might do a passable job!

True story:

A flight attendant asks a pilot, "How long was training for ya'll?"

"About eight weeks"

"So three more weeks of training and I could have been a pilot?"
 
"Invite the Flight Attendants to take a turn at level flight"

Heck, if you're gonna go there. It's not any less illegal to ask the 13 year old WOW champ in the back to play the video game in the cockpit. I'm sure he could do it quite well.
 
zmiller4 said:
On this general topic, here's another hypothetical:

You're scheduled for a night flight into one of the more challenging mountain airports in the west that's famous for its windshear. Weather at this airport is reporting crosswinds gusting to 30kts, with only a back course loc approach available. Visibility is both forecast and reported to be at mins for the BC LOC. The crew bringing the plane in has called MX out to defer the autopilot and both flight directors, meaning raw data, hand flown, with no wind shear guidance. What would you do?
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Whats windshear guidance...:confused:
 
DE727UPS said:
"Invite the Flight Attendants to take a turn at level flight"

Heck, if you're gonna go there. It's not any less illegal to ask the 13 year old WOW champ in the back to play the video game in the cockpit. I'm sure he could do it quite well.
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:yup:

That would have been my dream come true when I was 6 years younger.
 
DE727UPS said:
I'd ask the company what they want me to do. The 767 hand flys really nice and it's legal to fly without an autopilot, so I wouldn't turn around just for that. .... As far as RSVM, I'd get the company to send me a new burn for whatever altitude I could work out with ATC.
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I was under the impression that RVSM ops required a functioning, approved autopilot....?
 
DE727UPS said:
"Invite the Flight Attendants to take a turn at level flight"

Heck, if you're gonna go there. It's not any less illegal to ask the 13 year old WOW champ in the back to play the video game in the cockpit. I'm sure he could do it quite well.
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Well, it is legal for the FA to be in the cockpit, so that's something they have over the 13 year old WOW champ.





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True. I think we flew in RVSM airspace with an inop autopilot from SEA to SLC once. Ops Specs and the AM said it was kosher.
 
Could be. I'm not a NATS guy. UPS says I'm qualified for the Pac Rim based on doing ONT-HNL, which I think is a stretch. I'm hoping to go non-current international at the end of May. Then, I won't have to worry about it.
 
Just a note, I just had something very similar to this happen. We where leaving Rota, Spain coming back to Dover, DE. After the pilots climbed to cruise, they realized that autopilot would not engage. Engineers ran there checks, and did everything they could. We had 3 pilots and I kid you not they beasted the whole 10 hour flight back to Dover.

While I was in the back sleeping away :)

Ah, the life as a Load.
 
Had the stubborn autopilot happen a few times in various Boeings. Here's a little trick: If your Boeing autopilot will not engage, turn off, then back on the autopilot electric trim switch - Usually fixes the problem. Got halfway from Cleveland to San Francisco before I discovered that. Tried it several times since, and it has always done the trick. Just FYI.

Sorry to throw some reality into this "just for fun" scenario.
 
Control lock? Those things cost money! When I sent my application into Mesa they told me part of the FO's duties included being the control lock! You mean that isn't normal on all airlines?
 
Seggy said:
I do have to give credit to OldTownPilot who told me that this did happen. Thought it would make for a good post.

OldTownPilot = THE MAN










Don, yeah figured that three autopilots one would work, but who knows what gremlins the plane might have.
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I think OldTownPilot mentioned that the aircraft had three autopilots because he was trying to make the point and benfit of triple redundency systems. There are no gremlins in a 767 that will cause all three independent autopilot systems to fail, we do know this.
You obviously have no expierence or understanding of advanced aircraft operating systems.
In addition to all this hand flying at the upper flight levels is and can be dangerous since the aircraft operating speed envelope is relatively small, sometimes less then a 10 knot of spread.
Reading a book occasionally might be more beneficial than making up farfetched, ridculous inflight situations.
 
It has happened before that a crew could not get whatever needed to be done (auto pilot wise) therefore hand flying across the pond was an option to get back.

You "i think" are a Colgan pilot. Where do you have systems knonwledge to ay this:
There are no gremlins in a 767 that will cause all three independent autopilot systems to fail, we do know this.
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I know someone that has flown with the CA this happened to. Coming in and bashing the Colgan ALPA drive and then saying I am "....making up far fetched, ridiculous in flight situations." is a little ignorant to say the least.

The "OTP=The man" statement refered to me giving the idea to the Seggy durring a conversation at some point. I know a little bit about the plane, But I'll defer the in depth systems questions to someone that is in traing for the aircraft right now.
 
Good Point OldTownPilot, thanks for imparing your vast knowledge in this topic from way up on your pedestool.
Thanks for looking down at Colgan and all the 450 pilots who work here, because obiviously you assumed that because I or anyone who works at Colgan can't possibly have any expierence or understanding on bigger aircraft.
Sorry, if I don't feel the need to "Market Board" all my years of expierence in all the types of planes of flown.
Personally I find it very condicending to write the way you do.
Secondly I never attacked the union talks, I'm just trying to research it more. Maybe people who don't work at Colgan shouldn't comment or complain about the company because it is not their company.
 
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