Your winter driving lesson
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JaceTheAce
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To bring a little more humor back into this thread. This is kind of car that's in the video.
I really should dress up like an old lady while doing this and watch everyone's head explode.
Wow! Sporty! (LOL, remember they said that it was "sporty" in their ads back then?
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darrenf
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It's all very circumstantial evidence though.
I think that the point you are missing is for someone to decide not to hire you, does NOT require you to be guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
JaceTheAce
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I think that the point you are missing is for someone to decide not to hire you, does NOT require you to be guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
Well, in that case, sure. But for legal purposes, no.
Tommay85
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I think that the point you are missing is for someone to decide not to hire you, does NOT require you to be guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
I don't think I'd want to work for a place that refused to hire me because of some random video that I may or may not have made. EVERY single thing posted so far both on here and youtube could be by Joe Butthead in Germany.
No where in this entire video am I acting irresponsibly. I'm not in traffic and the speeds are kept low on completely open roads with plenty of visibility. The camera is zoomed all the way out by the way. I'm not going 50mph like you might think. The ONLY possible negetive outcome that could have happend the entire time is spinning out and MAYBE tapping a snow bank or curb with the tires. If I were going faster, yeah some bad things could happen, but I'm not.
It's alright, I put this video in a public forum, so I expect some comments questioning the actions in the video.
Tommay85
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Wow! Sporty! (LOL, remember they said that it was "sporty" in their ads back then?
There was a "world car" model for a couple years too. That was the one with the flags going in a circle instead of a straight line on my car under the "cutlass cieara" badge. I can't imagin anyone one in a few of these countries wanting to buy this car:
darrenf
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Well, I don't know who you want to work for, but I can tell you as an employer, seeing the video and then hearing you defend it and state you were not acting irresponsibly would keep me from hiring you. Of course, you might not care about my opinion, but there might be a lurker on this site that could be someone in a position of power over you in the future, and they might just hold you responsible for it. just sayin.
TheShocker
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All I am getting from arguments like yours and the countless numbers preaching the same is this industry loves to judge people based on their personality and lifestyle rather than their qualifcations. Kinda dissapoints me, if you don't fit the cookie cutter image of "SuperGoodExtremoMagnficentStudPilotImage" this industry will toss you out and beat you to pieces. You might posess skills far superior to those that fit the image, but because of the many folks out there, including yourself, that like to judge, someone will be tossed aside who is more than qualified. Pretty sad state of affairs.
darrenf
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Perhaps you would be wise to listen to those who are "preaching" about this industry if you chose to have a career in this industry, and by this "industry", I assume you are referring to flying. Flying does not have room for poor judgement. You can have "mad skills", but if you have bad judgement, this industry is not forgiving. And bad judgement was shown by not only the acts in the video, but also the posting of the video.
Well that's one way of looking at it. Another way is to realize that there are more than enough pilots for the job positions out there, and employers can use practically any criteria that they would like to screen out candidates. Why should they hire someone that has publicly exhibited what some (not me, necessarily, but some...) people would consider to be hazardous behavior (as shown on video) and unrepentant attitude when there are plenty of other perfectly qualified candidates? That is, in some respects, the reality of the situation that pilots need to deal with.
It's kind of like wearing a suit to an interview. Seems pretty silly that you might be judged on what you wear when pilot skill is what you should be judged on, doesn't it? It has been said many times before, but only a small percentage of a pilot's job is actually flying a plane. There are a lot of other skills and qualifications that a person needs to be an asset to a flight department or airline, and the employers have many ways to judge who does or doesn't have those skills.
Personally, I'm familiar with the type of driving shown on those videos, understand the skill required, and also understand the minimal risk involved. It still entails a small amount of risk, no matter how it is sugar-coated. While it is probably true that Tom, doing that kind of driving, is much safer than most run-of-the-mill drivers on the road just tooling along, what he is shown doing in those videos is at least marginally more hazardous than if he were not drifting and playing, eh? Why would an airline hire someone that exhibits, publicly, that they are "risk takers"?
I can certainly understand your frustration, so I won't be personally offended if you choose not to exhibit cookie-cutter behavior yourself. As long as you understand the system and the possible consequences, feel free to wear jeans and a polo shirt to your interview. I'll be happy to applaud your independence.
Dugie8
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Shocker
Judging someone on their merits (personnalities, ethics, maturity, etc) is all we really have in this industry. This "ideal" is the backbone of why the seniority system works at the airlines. You cannot judge a pilot by who is more safe than the other, we all posses the same basic skill set (stick and rudder, reg knowledge, etc). Some are slightly better in one area, weaker in another, but it all basically evens out.
So if Tom and another applicant are sitting across from me for an interview, Tom and the other person have similiar flight experience, grades, did just as well in a sim eval, passed a written test with the same score, etc and I have seen this video and know it is him, whom do I choose? Who do I trust a multi million dollar airplane, countless lives, etc too. The one who THINKS he is a good "stunt" driver or the one who seems to display the conservative attitude?
Tom very well be the best stick, reg knowledge, smooth operator, but there are plenty of others that are just as good, if not better, that have their head screwed on straight.
I would be lying if I said I never broke a reg or broke the law, the difference is I don't make excuses and justify and accepted my responsibilities learned from it and moved on. Tom, and most of you guys on here, seem to think the world should bend to your will and accept you and your actions without question because, well, ya'll think your are just that damn good. Plenty of people out there who want to make something out of this career than you guys do and if ya'll keep it up, those that want it will have 5 or 6 less people to compete with for a job.
Tommay85
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I know what you're saying. All I'm trying to point out is that is that there really isn't anything more dangerous in this video than choosing to drive in the first place.
Dugie8
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darrenf
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JaceTheAce
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Darrenf, Dugie, and SteveC, what about my autocross videos I've posted in the past? Would this exhibit a display of irresponsibility and aggression to a potential employer? 
darrenf
resident denizen
Darrenf, Dugie, and SteveC, what about my autocross videos I've posted in the past? Would this exhibit a display of irresponsibility and aggression to a potential employer?
I haven't seen your autocross vids, but I know when I used to autocross it was on a closed course or parking lot, and everyone there knew the risks. There was no chance of running into some unsuspecting citizen or another car heading the opposite direction. So, if you were on a sanctioned course, I don't understand the comparison.
Dugie8
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Darrenf, Dugie, and SteveC, what about my autocross videos I've posted in the past? Would this exhibit a display of irresponsibility and aggression to a potential employer?
If it was done on open roads (not closed tracks) yes.
I could give to craps less if you turn yourself into a greasy spot on some motocross track, but when you put other peoples lives in danger for the sake of the moment, yup, you don't belong in the air.
JaceTheAce
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Glad there's an apparent difference.
Tommay85
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If you're familiar with this, then you can see that all I'm "endangering" is maybe my tires and some small snow piles right?
