Yearly TSA security training..

Muff3n said:
How does one go about getting this yearly TSA "endorsement" or whatever it is?
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Just take this silly online class, print your certificate, and keep it somewhere for proof:
http://flash.aopa.org/asf/gasecurity/gasecurity.cfm?

More info: http://www.aopa.org/Pilot-Resources...ght-Training-Citizenship-Validation-Rule.aspx

You need to "card" any flight student after their introductory flight which means either a birth certificate or a US passport. Either take a photocopy and keep that on file or make the required endorsement certifying that you checked it.

If you encounter a non USA citizen who wants to train, then they need to go through application and approval with the TSA.
 
And keep all your old certificates...got audited by a TSA inspector who tried to tell me that I have to have a continuous record of security training from when your CFI was issued to the present day. She also told me that her office's interpretation of the rule was that if you had a valid CFI certificate you had to have their security awareness training done.
 
The worst part about the training is that the initial training online apparently isn't good enough for recurrent training. Really stupid.

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Autothrust Blue said:
Better off left alone, most likely. You might not like the answers.
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When it comes to organizations with "Department", "Bureau", "Administration", or "Agency" in their name, just think like a lawyer... Never ask a question to which you do not already know the answer. If they actually know the answer, you won't like it. If they don't know the answer, they'll make up an answer you won't like.
 
pwttogfk said:
And keep all your old certificates...got audited by a TSA inspector who tried to tell me that I have to have a continuous record of security training from when your CFI was issued to the present day. She also told me that her office's interpretation of the rule was that if you had a valid CFI certificate you had to have their security awareness training done.
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You can make a logbook entry in lieu of keeping the certs.
 
rframe said:
Just take this silly online class, print your certificate, and keep it somewhere for proof:
http://flash.aopa.org/asf/gasecurity/gasecurity.cfm?

More info: http://www.aopa.org/Pilot-Resources...ght-Training-Citizenship-Validation-Rule.aspx

You need to "card" any flight student after their introductory flight which means either a birth certificate or a US passport. Either take a photocopy and keep that on file or make the required endorsement certifying that you checked it.

If you encounter a non USA citizen who wants to train, then they need to go through application and approval with the TSA.
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Awesome, thank you very much for the information! I will definitely have to check it out and get it done.
Maurus said:
The worst part about the training is that the initial training online apparently isn't good enough for recurrent training. Really stupid.

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Is there some form of recurrent training that is online based? Or is the only way that you can get recurrent training through some kind of "in class" recurrency training.
 
Muff3n said:
Is there some form of recurrent training that is online based? Or is the only way that you can get recurrent training through some kind of "in class" recurrency training.
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Yes, it's online based, takes about 8 minutes to complete.

It's so uber important to our government that it be completed, that they cannot even be bothered to run the program.

The AOPA runs the program, the TSA just shows up to make sure you took the test.

I had to take it for 2013 and when I attempted to take it, it told me I had already completed the program and asked if I'd like to print my cert.

Sure, says I.

Scan and send to TSA. My cert printed for 2011, last time I took it I guess, so I got slapped on the wrist.

Never mind the fact that the TSA is to conduct YEARLY inspections of my records yet failed to inspect me in 2012.

My inspector lied to his boss and told him that I had done no instructing in 2012 and that is why I had a 2011 certificate. Totally fabricated story by the TSA agent.

Oh well, they're the government.
 
Tram said:
Yes, it's online based, takes about 8 minutes to complete.

It's so uber important to our government that it be completed, that they cannot even be bothered to run the program.

The AOPA runs the program, the TSA just shows up to make sure you took the test.

I had to take it for 2013 and when I attempted to take it, it told me I had already completed the program and asked if I'd like to print my cert.

Sure, says I.

Scan and send to TSA. My cert printed for 2011, last time I took it I guess, so I got slapped on the wrist.

Never mind the fact that the TSA is to conduct YEARLY inspections of my records yet failed to inspect me in 2012.

My inspector lied to his boss and told him that I had done no instructing in 2012 and that is why I had a 2011 certificate. Totally fabricated story by the TSA agent.

Oh well, they're the government.
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Wow.... That sounds like a ridiculously unfair story. Did you lawyer up or anything over the incident? Just hearing about that gives me one more reason that I should get the AOPA legal protection plan ASAP.
 
Muff3n said:
Wow.... That sounds like a ridiculously unfair story. Did you lawyer up or anything over the incident? Just hearing about that gives me one more reason that I should get the AOPA legal protection plan ASAP.
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No. They only issued a letter of warning and let me know how serious a violation it would be if infact I didn't take the test each year..

Fighting the government at this level would be fruitless for sure..

I'll take the test each year and play their game.
 
Wow...what a joke that training was. Also GA-Secure is fairly useless to call as it doesn't alert authority and only documents activity.

I could call this number all the time for people sitting off the end of runways taking pics of aircraft.

I called the airport police one time in IAD for a suspicious guy on the ramp on the. The guy in street clothes and no ID walks out of the terminal through a propped open door and goes to an RJ and seem to struggle to get the cargo door open and then hops in the empty plane. The airport police were more eager to grill me about the guy than just drive over and check it.
 
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Also, initial needs to be done for each employer. We changed names (owners) and were found in violation for not having initials for the new company. This was a six month ordeal getting it straightened out, and basically the TSA gave up on trying to figure it out.
 
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