Xmas spirit re oil prices

I don't care about peak oil, or if it's true, or not, I just care about the price...and it's going higher and higher, and it sucks. The powers that decide which way we will go in the future need to hurry up and decide.
 
Well personally I am not. But recent history has shown us that there is huge population of people who are very religious. This also drives there political leanings and despite being god-fearing, they are very persuaded by their faith, even if that means voting for the destruction of the planet, pointless wars, insane government spending, so long as we potentially overturn Roe v. Wade.

Faith will go right out the window if it means they can save $.20 on gas at the pump. At least that's the case in my neck of the woods.

Besides, religion's been fueling pointless wars for eons. :)
 
Wow, I guess it didn’t take long for this to happen.

Despite the fact that there have been no substantial discoveries of new oil in the world since the 1970’s

we continue to think that, or we are told that, they is more in the ground every day. That is not true.

There is a finite amount of oil in the earth and we know where it is. We have successfully extracted nearly 50% of know reserves and those reserves were the easiest to extract [read: cheapest]. Information such as you posted here is designed to give us false hope in an attempt to convince people that both drilling, and this case, mining of oil shale should be authorized. The Green River Formation is a spectacular area of the west that, if mined, would create a potential environmental nightmare. Two metric tonnes of rock are required to make one barrel of oil. Meanwhile the energy expense in converting, or retorting, the oil, as it is called, is very intense requiring the shale to be heated to nearly 650 degrees. This energy expense, the addition of greenhouse gases (see the plume behind the engines in your avatar flyover), and the toxic byproducts from the refining process should be enough for anyone to think twice about this.

Let’s not go down this road. We are smarter than this and any god-fearing person knows that this planet was given to us to use and sustain, not use up. We are hitting peak oil and we all should educate ourselves about it. We work in an industry that relies on cheap oil to transport people around. We need alternatives.

Yes there are have been new discoveries.
and a finite amount of oil??? of course that is ONE opinion, and is NOT fact! Fact is there are two basic beliefs. One; that its finite and two; that oil is a naturally replenishing resourse.
 
Yes there are have been new discoveries.
and a finite amount of oil??? of course that is ONE opinion, and is NOT fact! Fact is there are two basic beliefs. One; that its finite and two; that oil is a naturally replenishing resourse.

There is a certain amount of oil in the earth.

Oil is naturally replenishing but not within a human lifetime, or lifetimes. Unless you're one of those "abiotic" oil believers, but I'd hate to have people like that running the country.

Will we ever run out? Hell nah, but what will happen is we'll continue pulling the relatively easy stuff as quick as we can until we're left with the hard stuff to get at. Then where we go from there is scary because we really have no plans as a country, and as a world.
 
Yes there are have been new discoveries.
and a finite amount of oil??? of course that is ONE opinion, and is NOT fact! Fact is there are two basic beliefs. One; that its finite and two; that oil is a naturally replenishing resourse.

From the Robert Hirsch report, presented to Congress in 2005 and commissioned by the Government Accountability office.

Important observations and conclusions from this study are as follows:

1. When world oil peaking will occur is not known with certainty. A fundamental
problem in predicting oil peaking is the poor quality of and possible political
biases in world oil reserves data. Some experts believe peaking may occur soon.
This study indicates that “soon” is within 20 years.

2. The problems associated with world oil production peaking will not be
temporary, and past “energy crisis” experience will provide relatively little
guidance. The challenge of oil peaking deserves immediate, serious attention, if
risks are to be fully understood and mitigation begun on a timely basis.

3. Oil peaking will create a severe liquid fuels problem for the transportation
sector, not an “energy crisis” in the usual sense that term has been used.

4. Peaking will result in dramatically higher oil prices, which will cause protracted
economic hardship in the United States and the world. However, the problems
are not insoluble. Timely, aggressive mitigation initiatives addressing both the
supply and the demand sides of the issue will be required.

5. In the developed nations, the problems will be especially serious. In the
developing nations peaking problems have the potential to be much worse.

6. Mitigation will require a minimum of a decade of intense, expensive effort,
because the scale of liquid fuels mitigation is inherently extremely large.

7. While greater end-use efficiency is essential, increased efficiency alone will
be neither sufficient nor timely enough to solve the problem
. Production of large
amounts of substitute liquid fuels will be required. A number of commercial or
near-commercial substitute fuel production technologies are currently available
for deployment, so the production of vast amounts of substitute liquid fuels is
feasible with existing technology.

8. Intervention by governments will be required, because the economic and
social implications of oil peaking would otherwise be chaotic. The experiences of
the 1970s and 1980s offer important guides as to government actions that are
desirable and those that are undesirable, but the process will not be easy.


Folks, peak oil is a when, not an if.
 
Yes there are have been new discoveries.
and a finite amount of oil??? of course that is ONE opinion, and is NOT fact! Fact is there are two basic beliefs. One; that its finite and two; that oil is a naturally replenishing resourse.

Read this:
http://www.hubbertpeak.com/campbell/Campbell_02-3.pdf

Remember, "new discoveries" in the current definition means that they are either figuring out new ways to extract old reserves or finding better fields that have been known to be out there. Hubbert proved how much oil the world has trapped beneath the ground.

If you believe this to be only one opinion then I guess the world was created 4,000 years ago too.
 
HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

Shale oil again.

They have been saying this for decades.

Let me know when they get one drop out of the Uinta Basin.
 
HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

Shale oil again.

They have been saying this for decades.

Let me know when they get one drop out of the Uinta Basin.

They'll get it. . . and we'll get this. . .
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They'll get it. . . and we'll get this. . .
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The last time this was "Big News" I was in the 8th grade and it was going to be the biggest economic boom to ever hit the state. Bigger than the Copper Mine, bigger than Jesus.

Fizzled.

According to my Geology professor (at least what I remember from my first year of college) the problem is that the individual deposits are scattered and small. So even if you can extract a deposit effectively, you will tap it out quickly and have to move on to the next one. Making it difficult to turn a profit, or extract the oil in a timely manner.
 
The last time this was "Big News" I was in the 8th grade and it was going to be the biggest economic boom to ever hit the state. Bigger than the Copper Mine, bigger than Jesus.

Fizzled.

According to my Geology professor (at least what I remember from my first year of college) the problem is that the individual deposits are scattered and small. So even if you can extract a deposit effectively, you will tap it out quickly and have to move on to the next one. Making it difficult to turn a profit, or extract the oil in a timely manner.


Yeah, last I heard the energy ratio was 3:1, or take one barrel to get three. In the 1960's that was 100:1.
 
Whew, I thought you were gonna say, Mr. Fusion and the needed 1.21 Gigawatts to run the flux capacitor.

1.21 Gigawatts? 1.21 Gigawatts?!? Im sure in your time future boy, you can go down to the local drug store and ask for it but here in 1955 it doesnt come that easy!!
 
Is something wrong with the Earth's gravitation pull in the future. Wait! Don't tell me!
 
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