Wreckless Or Right??

Again, just to recap. If a runway is closed, then to me its closed. Unless there's some severely compelling need for me to use it that I can reasonably articulate, then I don't bother.

Western Airlines Flt 2605 learned the lesson the hard way on 31 October 1979 in Mexico City.
 
jtrain609 said:
I knew I'd find it somewhere.

FAA Order 2150.3B

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgOrders.nsf/key/Order 2150.3B

Page 255.

30-60 day suspension.
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I got "(1) Failure to revise aircraft data after major repair or alteration". Maybe I looked in the wrong spot, but it was under 2150.3B and it was page 255 and was the only thing with a 30-60 day suspension. Maybe it's just my Mac? :confused:


I think the majority of us would like to see where it says in black and white that taking off from a closed runway is illegal.
 
John, you can look all you want. But nowhere in pt 91 does it say a pilot may only take off or land from a "runway" (open or closed).

The only reg that could possibly cover this is 91.13, and that is totally up to FSDO inspector's opinion of the event in question.



Now, that said, I still don't think this was a smart move on the part of the crew. I definitely wouldn't have done it based on the reported scenerio. We have clearly shown that this could have been done "safely", but the potential blowback from the Feds would make me decline.
 
"Fig. B-3-j. 14 C.F.R. 91.13(a), Careless or reckless operation so as to endanger (independent violation)

(3) Landing on, or taking off from, closed runway
30- to 60-day Suspension"


Aha! I think you may have actually found something in black and white. :clap:
Thanks for that .pdf, I'll have to save that one for future reference.
 
USMCmech said:
John, you can look all you want. But nowhere in pt 91 does it say a pilot may only take off or land from a "runway" (open or closed).

The only reg that could possibly cover this is 91.13, and that is totally up to FSDO inspector's opinion of the event in question.



Now, that said, I still don't think this was a smart move on the part of the crew. I definitely wouldn't have done it based on the reported scenerio. We have clearly shown that this could have been done "safely", but the potential blowback from the Feds would make me decline.
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I quote the document that the FAA uses for determining punishment for certain actions.

That document cites 91.13 and then taking off from a closed runway, and it isn't good enough?

Really?

RREEEEEEAAAAALLLLY?

Do what ya'll want.
 
Still waiting for clarification on the sequence of events and who closed the runway, when it was done, and how.

More food for thought...

CHI04LA298
HISTORY OF FLIGHT

On September 29, 2004, at 0520 central daylight time, a Cessna 208B, N276PM, operated by Planemasters, Ltd., as a cargo airplane, received substantial damage on impact with terrain during takeoff from runway 36 at Decatur Airport, Decatur (DEC), Illinois. Night visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of the accident. The commercial pilot was uninjured. The 14 CFR Part 135 on-demand cargo flight was originating at the time of the accident and was en route to Quincy Regional Airport-Baldwin Field (UIN), Quincy, Illinois.
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(NOTAM)
Runway 18/36 closed effective from September 28, 2004, at 0600 to November 12, 2004, at 1800.
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Singapore Airlines Flight 006 was a scheduled flight from Singapore Changi Airport to Los Angeles International Airport via Chiang Kai-Shek Airport (now Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport) in Taiwan, Republic of China. On 31 October 2000, at 15:17 UTC, 23:17 Taipei local time, a Boeing 747-412 on the route attempted to take off from the wrong runway in Taipei during a typhoon, destroying the aircraft and killing 83 of the 179 occupants.
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