Would you pay for your ATP?

Add my name in the "pay for it" column. It's certainly nice to have a company pay for it, but when that isn't an option, then pay for it yourself and increase your odds of getting a position where you otherwise wouldn't be considered.
 
Add me to the "paid for my ATP" list as well. Even though the company allowed use of the airplane and covered fuel costs, it was still up to me to locate and pay for an examiner. One of the best things I have done this year.
 
Most of the time it's the insurance underwriter that require an ATP. If the company can't insure you they won't hire you.

cfii2007 said:
What does the ATP checkride include??
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Depends on what you're doing it in, but essentially it's a more difficult instrument ride. The biggest difference is that you are expected to demonstrate knowlede of and the ability to use every system installed on the aircraft.
 
soon you guys are gonna want to get ur CMEL paid by the company that will hire you too.

you guys are lucky. in europe, people have to buy their own type ratings to be competitive.

just go get ur ATP.
 
A new spin on this subject as well. There is a chance that I may pay to get my ATP if I do not stay until upgrade at CJC. Typically an ATP cost a few thousand dollars and you get it in your local training twin. I may get lucky and be able to use a friends twin would would cut the cost to near a thousand but still alot of money.

Still having VA benefits I thought about going to one of the places that offers type ratings and go with the generic such as a citation type for the corporate/135 world. The other option is the 73 type because I have found a few of those companies that have VA approval and so far no citation programs with approval. Out of pocket would be less than flying a seminole and although a 73 type would be near useless to me it would be alot of fun and benefit me alot more in the long run than 6 more hours in the ol PA-44.
 
I did, and would again, but want to touch a little on what USMC SGT said about the VA - I too was debating that late last year. No real reason for me to get the 73 type but if I could get it paid for... Turns out I did All ATP's (a good experience in Bowling Green, KY) because in the long run it was a better deal to only lose two days of work getting my ATP in the Seminole than going through ground school on an airplane I didn't really need to learn. Also it was going to cost at least $2000 more out of my pocket, even with the GI Bill, to get the type rating. The irony is that today I'm flying a 737 for Delta, albeit with my type rating at their expense...but that's another story.

To the original poster - decide if you want to fly airplanes for a living. If so, part with the cash and consider it an investment in your career - no one can take your ATP away (except the FAA, and only with good reason) and you'll never say "if only I had gotten my ATP in the summer of 2008"
 
cfii2007 said:
What does the ATP checkride include??
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It's a glorified IR ride, if you're a practicing CFII or a flying F/O I wouldn't sweat it at all. As soon as you meet the requirements I'd recommend going and taking the ride. It will have a very high ROI in short order.
 
Put me in the "About to pay for my ATP" group.

I look at it as an investment towards the advancement of my career.

I had intended/hoped that things would work out with my current airline and that I would be able to get my ATP/first type-rating through them, but that's becoming less and less likely.

So, it only makes sense to pay for it myself.

It'll make me MUCH more "marketable" - at least that's the plan.
 
ready2fly said:
Put me in the "About to pay for my ATP" group.
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Stan and AFDude411: I'm about to join you guys in paying for my ATP. Where are you finding the ATP rating for $1500? ATP (the school) is charging $2500, and that doesn't include the examiner fee. I'm doing it with the intention of applying to a certain Fractional. :)
 
I don't know anything about the place, but found this while searching findapilot, located in San Antonio.

www.alphatango-flying.com


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Just wondering if a single engine ATP would satisify the ATP requirement for most jobs. I know the intent is to have a ME ATP, but has anyone seen this requirement stated, or just "ATP required"? I'm sure I could pick up a SE ATP for the price of 1 flight plus the checkride (about $600 total). I know there's little utility of a SE ATP, except for the fact that I could then check the ATP box when I'm asked about the pilot certificate I hold. Has anyone gone this route?
 
FLflyer said:
Stan and AFDude411: I'm about to join you guys in paying for my ATP. Where are you finding the ATP rating for $1500? ATP (the school) is charging $2500, and that doesn't include the examiner fee. I'm doing it with the intention of applying to a certain Fractional. :)
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Sorry. If I said $1500 earlier in this thread ( I might have, but am too lazy to search :D ), I was sorely mistaken. With today's fuel prices and such, the price I'm looking at is about $2500 for the ATP minus the written and examiner.

All said and done, it'll be an investment of $3200 or so with the written and examiner thrown in.

Best of luck to all of ya'll (us) who are going this route.
 
If you're an active CFII/MEI you should be able to skate the ATP, the hardest part is the written and good ole Dr. Gleim helps with that on the cheap.
 
Add me to the Pay for the ATP group. Note, I don't work for Corp/frac or charter.

I did interviews though. Let's say a top frac doesn't call you off the bat. Your resume is sitting on a recruiter's desk. I'll bet the % of those resumes with an ATP will be a smaller number than those with CMEL.

I'd look at it as a tax deduction (possibly), a way to meet the MINIMUM requirements, it differentiates your resume, shows you can be trained to ATP stds (thus pass a type check).

cfii: your link to the new and improved ATP PTS: http://www.faa.gov/education_research/testing/airmen/test_standards/pilot/media/FAA-S-8081-5F.pdf
 
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