Would you make this flight in a C172...

I'd just file and go, but that's me. Base it on your comfort level and experience.

Generally speaking a change in altitude of about 2000 feet will get you out of icing conditions.
 
That's part of why I was wondering if the OP was instrument rated or not, or planning IFR/VFR...IMC/VMC.

I am IR rated, IFR flight. I have picked up trace before flying below a cloud with my instructor in VFR.
 
If I was going IFR I wouldn't worry about it too much. The only concern that I might have would be icing. Try to minimize your time in the clouds. Know where the cloud tops and bases are. Other than that, I really don't see a problem with this flight.
 
Yep exactly the reason I don't think it's safe. The clouds will be at 0, or just below, ideal for freezing.
Clouds at/below freezing level, night, NO ice protection, 2.5 hour flight, possibility of rain....the stack of cards is starting to add up.

Don't necessarily confuse unsafe, with exceeding one's personal comfort levels. It may be beyond what you're comfortable with and that's fine; but that doesn't make executing the mission necessarily unsafe for all.

Sure I don't have a problem flying at 2-3,000...just not in unfamiliar territory, at night, for 100-150 nm (half the trip length)

Just know what's below you. Even in IFR you should. A 1:500,000 or 1:250,000, CHUMd current, would work just fine for you. Night VFR isn't unsafe, just a little more challenging.

Use the flashlight to check for icing on the leading edges when inflight, if there's a worry.

The bigger question would also be, comfort level wise, what is the importance of the mission?
 
Yep exactly the reason I don't think it's safe. The clouds will be at 0, or just below, ideal for freezing.
Clouds at/below freezing level, night, NO ice protection, 2.5 hour flight, possibility of rain....the stack of cards is starting to add up.

Sure I don't have a problem flying at 2-3,000...just not in unfamiliar territory, at night, for 100-150 nm (half the trip length)

That say's it all then. If you don't feel safe given your level of experience then by all means Don't Go. Don't listen to a bunch of yahoos on the interweb telling you otherwise.

"A JCer is telling me this flight is safe in a C172...I say no."

A flight being safe, and a flight being Safe for You can be two different things. Make your decision and don't worry about others.
 
Don't necessarily confuse unsafe, with exceeding one's personal comfort levels. It may be beyond what you're comfortable with; but that doesn't make executing the mission necessarily unsafe.

Various stations along the route of flight are reporting at 6000OVC with VCSH, temps below freezing. That is the part that I'm looking at. Up north reports of icing in this storm and tops at 11,000


Just know what's below you. Even in IFR you should. A 1:500,000 or 1:250,000, CHUMd current, would work just fine for you. Night VFR isn't unsafe, just a little more challenging.

The bigger question would also be, comfort level wise, what is the importance of the mission?

JC Chi-town M&G :D Zap himself will be there so this trip is of fairly high importance.
 
JC Chi-town M&G :D Zap himself will be there so this trip is of fairly high importance.

LOL! The truth comes out! :D As stated before, if not comfortable, don't go. But if you want to go, and armed with the knowledge...unless that condition is covering most of the sky, just have a backup plan/diversion plan to use if necessary.
 
If you don't feel it is safe to make the flight AJ, then don't do it!

That's why I asked on JC.
I'm sitting at 160ish hours with a newly acquired IR rating.

I wanted an opinion from people who have more experience and hours than myself. I want to make this flight but I don't feel it's safe, however, some of those with a lot more knowledge and experience are saying it's ok.
 
That's why I asked on JC.
I'm sitting at 160ish hours with a newly acquired IR rating.

I wanted an opinion from people who have more experience and hours than myself. I want to make this flight but I don't feel it's safe, however, some of those with a lot more knowledge and experience are saying it's ok.

Thats good to know. Sometimes asking people with alot more experience, and them not knowing your background....they're going to speak from their own comfort level; good thing here is the number of people who've made that a point for you to apply to your level.
 
I want to make this flight but I don't feel it's safe, however, some of those with a lot more knowledge and experience are saying it's ok.


AJ, when YOU said "I want to make this flight but I don't feel it's safe", then YOU made the command decision NOT to fly.

If you are personally feeling it is not safe to fly, don't let outside forces make the decision for you. By all means use their experience and resources they offer, but don't let them make the decision.

In your career there will always be outside forces that will try to influence the decision. We as pilots are in command and have to be make the decision WE as PICs feel is the safe one.
 
Again, as folks have said, if you're not comfortable then don't go.

But I'd go, personally. Cruising at 3,000' you should be in good shape to make this happen, and remember if you start to pick up ice for some reason, you can ALWAYS drop below that to shed it. As long as you have some decent temps below you to get rid of that ice, you'll *probably* be ok.

What would my big concerns be with this flight? Icing, obviously; but that can be avoided by not going into the clouds. If you have above freezing temps below you, that should nullify that threat pretty well, as the area of the country you're going over is nothing but farm land. Figure out where the towers are and make a backup plan to be able to get down to MVA or lower if you need. I would watch temps VERY closely, though.

I'd be concerned about being able to put the plane down somewhere if you have an engine failure, especially from that altitude. In fact I'd probably be MORE worried about that than the icing issue (again, as long as you have above freezing temps below your altitude).

Other issues are any emergencies that could pop up during a night IFR flight in a single engine aircraft. A busted alternator is going to require quick work on your part if you end up in IMC, and you'll have to act accordingly if something like this happens, performing decisively and with purpose.

When it comes down to it every flight has an amount of risk. Heck sitting on the internets has a very high proability of causing an anurism. That being said, we continue to live our lives and mitigate risk as much as possible for the given conditions. That is your goal as a pilot; to mitigate risk. You can't eliminate it, but you can do things that will lessen its effect on your flight.

The decision is yours and yours alone as PIC. Lots of folks bag on flight instructors tooling around in single engine aircraft and how it doesn't help you later in your career. The things you're dealing with now, and these issues that you'll deal with later as a flight instructor are incredibly similar to the situations you'll run into on the line at a freight company or regional airline. You are there to mitigate risk, and you use the tools you have at your disposal to make sure that you do that. The only difference is that your tools are different. I.E. If look at that while driving an RJ for a few seconds and go back to my paper. I look at that while driving a Chieftain and think to myself, "Cruise at 8,000', watch for ice, get ready to climb, go back to my paper." I look at that in a 172 and I think, "Stay below the clouds if possible, avoid icing, be very decisive in my handling of the situation."
 
AJ, when YOU said "I want to make this flight but I don't feel it's safe", then YOU made the command decision NOT to fly.

If you are personally feeling it is not safe to fly, don't let outside forces influence you.

In your career there will always be outside forces that will try to influence the decision. We as pilots are in command and have to be make the decision WE as PICs feel is the safe one.

That said.....if you don't take this flight....you're a ......

:D:D:D Kidding!!!!!:D:D:D

Agree with the above.

Could you depart in the daytime instead, or are you committed to a night flight?
 
That said.....if you don't take this flight....you're a ......

:D:D:D Kidding!!!!!:D:D:D

Agree with the above.

Could you depart in the daytime instead, or are you committed to a night flight?

I'm still on the go/no-go, haven't decided yet. Definitely leaning towards no-go.

I'm flying there in the daytime, flight back will be at night.
 
I'm still on the go/no-go, haven't decided yet.

I'm flying there in the daytime, flight back will be at night.

Never hurts to err on the side of Conservativism...

Now if I could only get JTrain to do that.....:D
 
Well, I agree with those who say they'd do it, but that's not the point. You have to walk a line between playing it safe and "challenging" yourself (sometimes that means dirtying the pampers). The thing is, though, that you'll find yourself in pampers-pooping mode soon enough without starting the trip that way. Stretch yourself, yeah, but don't do it because someone said you're a wuss.
 
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