skyw82
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the 340 was almost obsolete before it ever flew it's first revenue flight.
World's Longest Commercial Flight Coming to an End
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the 340 was almost obsolete before it ever flew it's first revenue flight.
crazyjaydawg
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Block or better FTW!
Kingairer
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typhoonpilot
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Good question. The aircraft makes sense on routes that are slot restricted. LHR is a good example. EK only have 5 slots a day at LHR so all 5 are A380s and they operate at a very high load factor. Also routes that have a high percentage of premium passengers. The extra fuel cost can be made up by selling the A380s premium seat at a high percentage. The A380 has about 30 more Business Class and 6 more First Class seats.
I do not believe a business case can be made for 90 or 120 of them at Emirates though. At least not right now. In the future, with the growth in air traffic, maybe. Could easily make a business case for 20 to 30 of them. That's why most airlines are only ordering in the 5 to 20 range.
TP
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
Not really. Out of our order of 12, we turned 3 back. As of yet we haven't exercised our 14 options either.
Cool deal. Some of my typos in the prior questions are just dumb though......
DYAC......
Pépé le Pilot
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I fly the -300. It's very, very slow down low but get quite going past FL180. We never finish very high though, FL390 is all I've ever done, even though rec max was FL410. It just won't go. But it's a joy to fly, extremely quiet in the office and the first half. FA's in the back complain that it can be a little bit squirely in turbulences. Good fuel mileage too. Out of Bogota @233 tons TOW, you barely get 800 fpm initial climb (Bogota sits at 8860ft). Out of CDG I've seen a whopping 1500 ft/min up to about 15000ft where it gets better...
Do any of your 330's or 340's have a fuel dump capability?
Pépé le Pilot
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And on the fuel burn, I don't know for the 777, but we get 7.8 ton/hour average. The thing is that the 340 is still required for a few airports, Bogota again for instance. It's a high revenue flight, and the 777 is not approved for ops above 8000ft so there you go....
Pépé le Pilot
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Yes, they do and it's a recommended procedure in... Bogota one more time.
I'm doing my homework on the 330 systems right now and I just couldn't figure out why in the world it doesn't have fuel dump. Rumor has it that NWA ordered them without, but I couldn't believe they'd be that short-sighted and thought it was a manufacturer thing.
I have one 757 trip and a 767 trip then it's 330 time.
Pépé le Pilot
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Both our 330s and 340s have them. The 340 fills quite nicely a niche actually. Ours have 275 seats, and they are packed all the time. For instance, the CDG-SFO flight in winter with the 340 is a cash cow, where it looses money with a B777 or B744. The pax seem to love it too. The maintenance factor is somewhat to be discussed as the -300 has CFM56 engines, identical to those on the 320, so if the per hull maintenance is higher than a 777 it is offseted by the fact that we have 165 A320...
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
Sellout.
I'm doing my homework on the 330 systems right now and I just couldn't figure out why in the world it doesn't have fuel dump. Rumor has it that NWA ordered them without, but I couldn't believe they'd be that short-sighted and thought it was a manufacturer thing.
I have one 757 trip and a 767 trip then it's 330 time.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
No, no, it's all good. I move up a number in the category.
Nick
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Well, they ordered the entire E-175 fleet with zero closets and zero entertainment. Not that it's a massive fleet, but there are for instance, more of them than there are A-330s.
So, even as someone who worked for NWA in a capacity for a time and was very impressed with many aspects of the thing, I have to say, par for the course.
